Re: OT: Life and Death

I'm done here.

Done with this entire topic.

I am satisfied with my conclusions about you, Mox. The only thing I don't
know is whether the whiffs of mind or logic game-playing from you are
correct or you're really genuine with your replies. My view of either
choice wouldn't be all that complementary. I leave that question for other
minds should they so-choose to consider them.


"Mox Fulder" <alvaro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:55:09 +0000 (UTC), Vorlonagent <jt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

"Mox Fulder" <alvaro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Mox, like many who use science as a club to beat other belief systems
with,
[...]

No, not "other beliefs systems," but ignorance and superstition. We
already established that science and religion are not necessarily
mutually
exclusive.

LONG ANSWER

The way you wrote, "ignorance and supersition" was pretty much the rule
for
every religious/spiritual belief system. You certainly named no
exceptions.

I'm making a distinction that needs to be made. We already talked about
creationism, for example. What I'm saying is, I don't reject it because
it's a "different belief," but because of its intrinsic idiocy and
worthlessness. This is a very important distinction. Rejecting "different
beliefs" *just because* they are different, is just another name for
prejudice. Rejecting garbage for being garbage is a sign of sanity.
Accepting garbage as an equal choice for the sake of "tolerance" is a sign
of insanity.

You threw around charges of "superstition" and "ignorance" at the beliefs
of
millions if not billions of people without any hard evidence and without
any
method of apprehending how they actually implement their beliefs in their
lives.

If you mean, most people who claim to be religious are simply
superstitious, fine. Clearly, there are exceptions. I already pointed out
this demand for "hard evidence" is disingenuous. No "hard evidence" is
needed to "prove" that most people are average, because that is what
"average" means. Thus, most people are not going to be insightful,
educated, religious scholars. Maybe you are offended because you assume
that I paint *all* religious people as ignorant, but that's clearly NOT
what I'm saying.

If I say most people are stupid, *you* have to decide whether *you* are
like most people, or not.

You have effectively set up yourself as the arbiter of what's
"superstition"
or "ignorant". I don't buy it.

Who else is supposed to decide? Who makes your decisions?

I don't find an occasional sprinkling of "science and religion are not
necessarily mutually exclusive:" to convince me differently.
[...]

I didn't realize someone was trying to convince you of something.

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