Re: Planets and Stars - an idea


"Greg Goss" <gossg@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:759npfF13rb9rU3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"Terence Nesbit" <TerryKidd@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Actually, I looked at the Sun rising over a building on multiple days.
On a few days it rose on the left side of the building/chimney, the
deeper into fall we went, the more it began to pass that point on the
right side of the building. I noticed it because I was practicing my
golf game around the same time daily and noticed that the ball was
harder to see on some mornings as I was hitting into the direction of
the rising sun. The Sun is more easily seen with the naked eye when it
is viewed while passing behind a building. This is why I am sure that I
noticed it, and this is why I noted the different angle when the weather
topped 70 degrees again after more seasonal weather was present for the
weeks before then.

If Indian Summer (warm spells in fall) were caused by the world suddenly
changing its tilt, so that the sun was at a summer angle instead of a
fall angle, the results would be felt world-wide, not just in a single
region (OK, the tropics wouldn't notice much difference). One hemisphere
would suddenly be receiving more sunlight, and the entire hemisphere
would warm up; the other hemisphere would suddenly be receiving less
sunlight, and would experience a hemisphere-wide cooling. No such
phenomenon has been observed; instead, warm or cool air masses occur over
just part of a continent.

Also, the sudden change in angular momentum would trigger world-wide
earthquakes and probably widespread volcanic activity as well, not to
mention storms that would make hurricanes seem like light breezes by
comparison, and world-wide tidal waves.

Okay, but since it was observed, and I have been told to observe (although
everything except what I said that I saw), I will go along with this.

It may be that your observation is at a different time relative to
sunrise / sunset each day. The angle to the sun changes one way as
you get later in the season and the sun is lower towards the south,
and the angle changes toward the east as a given time of day gets
closer to sunrise as the days get shorter. For a time other than
noon, this might be a complex formula. We generally talk about the
noontime sun angle.


My observations were around the same time, between 10:00 and 12:00, up until 1:00 or 2:00. I would watch until it passed (to my eye) the point where I noticed it pass before (or a different point). If there was a point of reference I could use at Noon, I would use it. I have noticed that the sun is overhead during the summer and off to the south during winter. Some deviations might not be noticeable because the deviation is almost minimal. It would require a sufficient area to notice it (like counting the points that it touches on different days).

Why
do you assume that these events will occur? The Earth rotates daily,
because we see night and day daily, do you think this rotation is perfect?
Do you believe that of all the things that the Earth does, it is only this
rotation that is perfect? No, I doubt anyone could claim that the Earth
rotates on it's axis in a perfect circle 365/24/7. So why is it so
difficult for shifts to occur that are not calamitous?

There's a conservation law -- the conservation of angular momentum.
To change the direction of rotation needs the spin momentum to be
offloaded onto something else, or else you're inventing new physics
and breaking laws that we've been using for a couple of hundred years.


But the conservation law assumes that the inputs change and have to be corrected. A slight deviation, without slowing, unless it is built in to the system, should not lead to that much of a change. And then, what could the offloading be? To say that the Earth alters due to circling the Sun does not seem to take this into account.

It may be a wobble, one that shifts up, and then corrects itself. You
suggested that there are no hemispheric wide temperature variations, but
these do happen over multiple states at a time. And then you have to factor
in the weather patterns that may have grown out of this adjustment, sudden
thunderstorms, or even twisters. (Twisters, by the way, as I see it, are a
result of two fronts pushing wind around. I have seen baby twisters in New
York that started from twin gusts that met and circled in one spot.) Or
maybe the shift is a result of the cooler planet due to these sudden cool
down events?

Also, how long does it take the planet to warm up when spring actually
arrives? It takes months at least. It is gradual. The water on the
topsoil (or concrete and asphalt) has to dry up, an Indian Summer usually
does not last that long. On top of this, Indian Summers are warm, but not
Summer like hot - normally.

--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27

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