Re: Getting out of this world?

Brian Davis <brdavis@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tina_H...@xxxxxxxxxxx (Tina Hall) wrote:

[Note: the start of this might help you with what might have been
your original question. The rest addresses why your originaly
question is... rather confusing, or pointless, to most of us. Not
to mention some of the other things said in this thread]

Not even something far fetched? It doesn't have to be a theory
about ( <going elseplace>, that effect can be an accident or a
side-effect.

If what you are willing to do is be "far fetched", then make it
up -

Making something up is what I have to do anyway (naturally), but I
don't have the knowledge to base the made up stuff on. That's why I
asked here.

make up a "fifth force" that at certain energy levels comes
into play (but never below those),

Is there any real theory about such a force, and what would be the
other four?

and as a side effect can "rotate" things into other dimensions.
This has never been observed because before the LHC (or whatever
super-techno-wizzy thing you want to use)

What's the LHC?

I don't know any super-techno-wizzy, or what that is (made up
technobabble or some local term for real theories expanded or
something else).

these conditions have never been observed. Heck, I really liked
how Hogan did it in "The Genesis Machine" (IRC)... but *there* the
point was the science (not great, but entertaining).

I am not familiar with that.

The goal could be simple teleportation, too.

Then make a pattern-scanning quantum supercomputer, that can
record the position of all the subatomic particles in a body at
one exact instant, specifying both their position and momentum,

Is that possible?

(It's actually what people do in the ME[*] to move (not walking but
large distances, instantly) - grab everything of a body in relation
to everything else in the body, then let go elsewhere - but there
they've got magic to do it.)

[*] Magic Earth. One of the two bigger fantasy stories I wrote.
(Based on the idea of what if magic were real, naturally resulting
in a different history. See sig if you want to know more, or pick at
any actual writing instead of something that's so far just an idea.)

which of course violates the uncertainty principle...

?

and it turns out makes them exist at that moment in a parallel
universe / timeline / dimension (thereby preserving the
uncertainty principle).

Don't know about the uncertainty principle, but the idea sounds
along the lines of what I meant. Thanks.

Is any of these science? Or remotely founded on current
technology or science? No.

So there's no computer and scanner to do this, and no way to build
them?

But perhaps if you can't tell the difference,

I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between hard sci-fi and
blubber, and only care about how much technobabble I'd have to
suffer.

Along the same line (digressing somewhat), with the hype about the
supercollider experiment supposedly creating black holes, I don't
understand how black holes as small as the particles they use could
even be called that. As far as I know black holes need _MASS_, a
great big hunking lot of mass. So I don't understand what they're
even supposing as a possible problem. (With that I don't know
whether to worry, but as it sounds more like Y2K hype and paranoia,
and loony conspiracy theorists, I class it as nonsense. For the
tone, not for facts; I don't have facts.)

I'm *not* trying to be mean or rude there

I don't understand what you're saying as rude. Quite the opposite.
(Just please leave any hypothetical readers out of it. They won't
convince me of anything, and don't really have anything to do with
possible theories.)

- I'm pointing out that that's the point of this exercise, to
create an explaination that the reader can swallow without
choking. Here, it won't fly (the folks here can blast many holes
in the above "rationalizations"... as could I). But it might with
your readership, depending on their level.

What matters is my requirement: A real theory, a possible
experiment/project/whatever.

What any reader may think about it is irrelevant.

Really, this is just about the idea, not about the writing or the
story. Talking about writing and nonexistent readers helps naught
and is just irritating because it's got nothing to do with the
question.

The problem is that I have no idea what theories exist and what
experiments could be done, that may produce unexpected
effects. (

Pick one. Pick any one.

One from zero known theories results in zero picks.

By definition "unexpected" means "not anticipated", and so
extrapolating from current theories... doesn't get you anything
unexpected. Right?

I'm asking for said current theories. Folks here allegedly know
them, and thus could in theory suggest something that fits the
intended purpose. Whether the effect is deliberate or not is open.
'Unexpected' is just a way to keep it more open.

The restriction is no magic, no aliens, no natural phenomenon.
Someone _using_ a real known phenomenon is ok, but not some random
made up possible phenomenon. Deliberation is the key, even if the
result can be unintended: something caused by people on this world
as we[#] know it now.

[#] Well, you, you've got the knowledge.

Shame on you and the group.

I suspect the group would differ with you on that. You asked, it
seemed, for science. There really wasn't any in what you seemed
to want,

Of course there wasn't any science; I asked for what it could be. If
I could have put science in it, I wouldn't have to ask anyone.

so "the group" tried to tell you that.

No, some folks tried to tell me how I should write a story, which
has nothing to do with the science.

You asked for a explanation for how a dimension-transporter
could be possible

No, I didn't.

Hmm. Here's what you wrote:

TH>> I wonder what means there are, or could be developed, here
TH>> and now, to deliberately or accidentally be transported into a
TH>> different dimension/reality/some other world in some other
TH>> universe.

Plus:

<< Wildly exaggerated Speculative Fiction tech is allowed. _As long as
there's a theory that says it could be done._ No matter how far
fetched.

_So, what I'm looking for is a theory or three,_ in simple, that might
make this possible. (It's for an SF story, and only the start; the
excuse to get the people elsewhere, and perhaps some from there to
here.) _Something that can be mentioned in passing without
elaborating too much._ >>

In other words, you ask about being "transported" to a "different
dimension".

No, I asked about a theory.

Can you see how we might think you were asking about a "dimension
-transporter"?

No. For me, a transporter is an enclosed device where you go into.
While I added no such restrictions.

And no mention of a 'dimension-transporter'.

Huh. I must really have a problem with the English language. How
would *you* interpret the above statement?

As an enquiry about possible ways to get people to another
dimension, whether that's random people vanishing where they are or
deliberately hop into a construct is open.

you got responses saying if you need such a device in
your science-fiction, you're probably better off not even
TRYING to explain it.

Exactly. That's got nothing to do with what I asked for.

OK, then here's more along the lines of what you seem to be
asking for. No. There's nothing.

Nothing at all isn't very believable. Coming up with nothing only
means that the folks here don't know as much as they like to think.

Even after I called the destination 'Fantasyland'.

But you want the opinion and advice from a group called
rec.arts.sf.SCIENCE? Huh.

And got responses about the writing. So your comment here isn't
exactly credible.

Never mind that that's the _destination_. I ask about the possible
means to get there from _here_.

The only science based thing is how someone from here could get
there. For that I need a real theory.

No. Realy theories won't get you there. For that, you need to
either sweep it as deeply under the rug as possible (what the
basic advice was)

There was no basic advice on _what_ to sweep, and thus no advice at
all concerning the question.

or detail it enough to try to make it self-consistent... which is
going to be very very hard, given the folks in this group.

I don't know why you say that. All the folks in this group have to
do with it is that I'm asking them for a theory to use.

--
Tina
WISuspension: Seasons & Elements trilogy | Magic Earth series
Excerpts at: <http://home.htp-tel.de/fkoerper/ath/athintro.htm>

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