Re: Ancestor simulations and Intelligent Design

James A. Donald <jamesd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Indeed, I would expect that only a few of us have fully
simulated minds, and a lot are just scripted zombies
showing behaviors based on a statistical scatter of the
fully simulated individuals.


One fully simulated meat mind requires simulation of the channel
dynamics of a very large number of channel proteins. (There are things
happening in cerebellar Purkinge cells that depend sensitively on the
operation of their channels. Ditto for some cells in the lobster
stomato-gastric ganglion. Hey, I can claim one fully simulated lobster
equires simulation of the channel dynamics of a very large number of
channel proteins?! Moving on...) Channel dynamics reflects protein
folding of medium-sized proteins. Protein folding from quantum mechanics
is already too hard. (It's basically the biological equivalent of NPC.
You can measure it with as much accuracy as you want, but you can't
simulate it.)

Once you can simulate one mind, you might as well simulate all of
them--it's not much more expensive in computational resources.

--
Harry Erwin <http://www.theworld.com/~herwin>
My neuroscience wikiwiki is at
<http://scat-he-g4.sunderland.ac.uk/~harryerw/phpwiki/index.php>
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