Re: POLL: Have I Been Overly Malicious To Keith In the Mass Transit Thread?

On Fri, 01 May 2009 11:08:59 -0700, David Friedman
<ddfr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"David Loewe, Jr." <dloewe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:04:13 -0700, David Friedman
<ddfr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

1 b: an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed
true by the speaker
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1 a: an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be
untrue with intent to deceive

(same source)

Which has nothing to do with whether or not my usage is proper. And
my usage IS proper.

It IS a lie - whether he believes it to be true or not.

And it isn't a lie, if he believes it--by definition 1a.

Only if 4.1.a is being used. If 1.6 is used, he's at anchor.

*I* used the word. *I* get to reveal which definition was used. *I*
point to 4.1.b. 4.1.b is valid. That *should* settle things.

I concede that some dictionaries support your usage as one possible
meaning, as well as mine. But what you wrote was:

"Keith just got through telling a big fat scurrilous LIE, designed to
rile up the ranks, about me."

I think that made it clear enough which meaning you intended.

So...

You're claiming ESP now?

Explain to me how his missive - "I see that he's still implicltly
misrepresenting me. Less than an hour ago he posted a message which
implies that I think trains should keep going if they hit a pedestrian
on the tracks. Is there anyone here who doesn't see that implication in
his message? Is there anyone here who thinks that I *do* think that
trains should keep going if they hit someone?" - is not designed to rile
up the ranks. It is a pretty blatant appeal to the news group to
validate his claim for him. As for big, fat and scurrilous, am I to
take it that you have never described something, in the heat of
white-hot anger, using colorful invective?

In response to Andre's musings about slander, you opined that I "would
argue that if Keith believed his statement was true the belief was
unreasonable." I would go further than that and argue that the chances
are better that Keith understands that his belief is unreasonable than
that I was using 4.1.a when I wrote that Keith had told "a big fat
scurrilous LIE."
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