Re: When even a Republican can see it....

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:33:13 -0700, "dwight.thieme@xxxxxxxxx"
<dwight.thieme@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 26, 8:46 pm, Randolph Fritz <rando...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 2007-06-26, David Friedman <d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Randolph Fritz <rando...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 2007-06-26, David Friedman <d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The group I'm part of is All Ways Learning of Silicon Valley, and it's
the second one in their list of home school groups. Do you mean that
that web page thinks we are heretics, or only that it lists groups that
do?

As is, I believe, clear from context, the radical-right christians
aren't going to be posting much on your mailing list--they think you
are *evil*.

I was asking, not whether they were posting on our list, but whether
your claim was about the web page you gave the URL of--in which case the
fact that they listed our group would be evidence against--or only about
some of the groups they linked to.

No, but they list a number of christian groups; they have their own
lists and boards.

You're starting to sound like a tobacco industry flak
arguing that cigarettes don't cause lung cancer--it is perhaps worth
noting that Bob Jones University is not an impartial source.

Oddly enough, I did note that in what I wrote and you snipped. I also
noted that since the study was apparently being used in litigation over
home schooling, it would have to stand up to criticism by whomever was
on the other side of the litigation, so couldn't be obviously biased.

I also noted a separate source of information not connected to Bob Jones
giving the same result. I also noted the absence of any evidence in the
other direction.

You are continuing to sound rather like the people you are criticizing.
You know what you are saying must be true, you have no evidence to
support that belief, and you are shocked that someone would be sceptical
of it.

I have seen the evidence; I just don't have written cites. Maybe I'll
be able to gather some in the next few days.

"Christian" in this context is like "rights of white people" in the
context of a discussion of race; code for a specific set of radical
views, and I've cited web sources which give those views.

You really don't think that non-fundamentalist home schoolers might
describe themselves as Christian? Catholics do, and the Catholic church
has no current quarrel with evolution. I think I agree that
fundamentalists would be somewhat more likely to identify their groups
as Christian than other Christians, but that's a weaker statement.

Other way round; Christians who home-school for religious reasons are
probably radical-right. I'd expect that many home-schoolers are
Christians simply because it's the majority religion in the USA.

At a tangent, because it isn't really about home schooling but about
private schools... In order to have a small private school, you need
some place to put it. Churches have substantial amounts of space that is
empty much of the week, and as a result tend to get used for lots of
other things--SCA events, for instance. So a group of parents who are
dissatisfied with the local public school and want to set up a small
school of their own are quite likely to do it in a church, whether or
not their dissatisfaction is mainly over religious issues.

Sure.

I may be able to get a look at some of those books & give chapter
and verse on it soon, but right now, this is the information I
have.

Perhaps it would help to clarify the question.

The claim I have been mainly questioning is that home schooling is
mostly by Christian fundamentalists, done in order to protect their
children from exposure to ideas, most notably evolution, that they
disapprove of.

But I haven't made that claim! I do claim: (1) a substiantial number
of homeschoolers do so for religious reasons (this is, I think,
adequately proven by the NHES study); (2) that most of those are
religious-right christians; and (3) that a substantial faction of the
support for voucher systems, and writers of the proposed laws, are
radical-right christians. Important point: many, perhaps most,
fundamentalist christians are closer to the left than the right,
except on certain issues, mostly in the area of sexual law and
abortion.

Notice, btw, that absolutely zero evidence has been supplied by the
other side - where are the Silicon Valley home schooling web sites?
The Silicon Valley home-schooling supply stores? Etc, etc.

I don't know anything about Silicon Valley homeschooling web sites
(not being in Silicon Valley amongst other things), but we have
already established that non-Christian homeschooling supplies of the
sort Mr. Friedman would buy are available at such highly specialized
stores as Barnes And Noble or Office Depot. Does Mr. Thieme really
think that Mr. Friedman should list every Barnes And Noble and Office
Depot in Silicon Valley? What would such a thing prove?

No, they're going to stick to their story of 'only anecdotal evidence
has been offered." Why not? That position favors their side.
--
"I think between us, Bill Clinton and I have settled any lingering myths about the
brilliance of Rhodes scholars."
Kris Kristofferson
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