Re: >^..^< The cats on 28 April 2007

"Harry Andruschak" <adoptsoldcats@xxxxxxx> wrote

On Apr 30, 5:21?pm, "Karl Johanson" <karljohan...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
"Harry Andruschak" <adoptsoldc...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
Thank you, I just learned something new. Alas, I am embarassied to
admit that I have yet to memorize Psalm 51,

Psalm 51: 5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my
mother conceived me."

That really is one severely fucked up idea...

Well, this is RASFF, after all, and we have plenty of members with a
background in the Jewish Psalms who can answer your questions far
better then I can.

It wasn't a question. I pointed out the nastiness in the passage you're
embarrassed about not memorizing. I was curious about the definition of
'sin' (as it was an integral part of the passage), but rather than
asking here I looked it up in a Catholic dictionary (and listed it
here). I have the answer & it shows the passage in question to be
severely nasty.

Surprising also, that when called on the content of a passage you talk
about working to memorize, you go all, 'don't look at me man, the Jews
wrote it'.

And I hope they will, since I am not interested in
trying to cope with your hostility and anger. Goodby

Anger? I guess it's common to mistake another's pain for anger.

It's an SF fan forum. You can talk about anything. You can post like to
sites with videos of wiener dogs in free fall
(http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/102001/Zero_Gravity_Dog.html) . You
can talk recipes, political idea, cheese, pie, shoes, composting
techniques, foreshadowing and character development in The Far Out
Space Nuts, breeding habits of cuttle fish, who shot Mr. Burns,
electronics puns, pie (oops, I said that one already), or the history of
the shoe horn. But what do you bring up here over & over? You talk about
adopting an anti-homosexual religion, push a sexist and violent book
that calls many of the people on the forum 'fools', 'vile' & 'corrupt',
you talk about reciting a chapter of the book which includes the notion
that happy are those who bash in babies' heads... and now... now you go
on about a section of that chapter which espouses the notion that
infants & conceptuses are sinners, meaning they chose to commit sins.
And your only embarrassment is not having *memorized* that portion? And
you think me finding that passage fucked up is anger & hostility.
Understanding the emotions of others is largely a matter of inference.
If interested in my emotional state and in doubt, try asking. As above,
I'm not angry, I'm hurt.

I was a little baby 44 years ago. My head was partway out & I started
screaming (I can't remember why, off hand). Pretty much the only crime I
could be rightfully convicted of at that point, was kicking the inside
of my mother until she played Mantivani, but even then, I had no way of
knowing I was inside someone. According to the religion you espouse here
over & over, I was a sinner. The accusation is hurtful. By the
religion's definition, that means I already made at least one "voluntary
transgression" "knowingly and willingly", against your gods' rules, when
I hadn't heard or thought of that god, or any of the infinite other
concievable gods. The same with every other person here. The religion
you keep mentioning here, over & over, says they all "knowingly and
willingly" committed some sin, as infants, even as conceptuses before we
had a single brain cell. Sir. The idea is severely fucked up. Now I'm
not angry or hostile at you. I'm hurt. I'm not telling you you're fucked
up, I'm explaining that that philosophical point is fucked up. (I strive
to not to hate men, but rather the nastiness they espouse or commit.)
Look at the idea objectively. A conceptus doesn't chose to sin against
god, neither does an infant, *even if that particular god does exist*,
and neither are they responsible by proxy for an alleged sin of a woman
6,000 odd years ago, who the story says didn't have a sense of right &
wrong yet. The idea is a recruiting tool for a religious power group as
a way of saying that everyone, even those who follow every rule layed
out in the Bible, needs the absolution that only their church sells.

But on the topic of anger & hostility, have you considered looking in a
mirror? Repeatedly bringing up a religion which so many nasty things
about the forum's members is being a mean face? Why are you so mean?
Anger leads some to being mean, even towards the uninvolved. Are you mad
at someone?

Karl Johanson


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