Re: Embracing one's inner loser

Zev Sero wrote:

> James A. Donald wrote:
>
>> Bulldozing Palestinian homes has been an indispensable and necessary
>> part of Israeli settlement in Gaza from day 1
>
> Utterly untrue. No such bulldozing accompanied the establishment of
> the settlements, or happened for many years after their establishment.
> Only when their neighbours began shooting at them and throwing
> firebombs at them and in general trying to kill their inhabitants,
> was any bulldozing necessary. And AIUI all or nearly all of the
> homes that were destroyed were built *after* the Jews settled there.
>
>
>
>> and no compensation has ever been paid.
>
> AIUI, when land is taken for security purposes, compensation is paid
> to the owner, if there is one. This probably does not include houses
> built illegally on land that did not belong to the builder in the first
> place, or houses destroyed because they were being used as a base for
> terrorists. But, e.g., if land is taken for a buffer zone, or for a
> road, the owner is compensated.

I'm wondering if you could relay this information to my friends in Bil'in
village on the West Bank and my friends in Gush Shalom.

They like to be pleasantly surprised. And being informed that they have
been compensated for their land that is being taken for the "Separation
Wall" aka the Apartheid Wall, will no doubt cause them to die of fits of
uncontrollable laughter - in which case the land will be vacant. ;)

FWIW, I have been reliably informed that entire groves of olive trees have
been bulldozed by the IDF out of the fear that snipers might use them, even
when they are situated _below_ a mountaintop settlement; I have also been
reliably informed that the IDF only takes action against known terrorists -
which leaves me with the major headache - how does one find out an olive
tree is a known terrorist? One English king reputedly talked to oak trees,
though their answers have not been recorded - this is therefore a first.
There's nothing to be ashamed of it - boast to the world how the IDF can
make olive trees confess to committing acts of terrorism, in particular
suicide terrorism.

Inquiring minds want to know. ;)
>
>
>> Israelis really should consider that if they gave each Palestinian
>> evicted $100000, they could probably clear out the west bank with a
>> clear conscience and no very terrible consequences.
>
> Nobody is "evicted" from land that they own without compensation,
> except in the fairly unusual case of homes of actual terrorists. There
> aren't that many of those. As for paying people to move, that's exactly
> what Ateret Cohanim does in Jerusalem. And what many "settlers" did,
> e.g. Moshe Zar. And it's what R Meir Kahane advocated.
>
Ah, that word "own". As Zionists I have debated with previously, have
informed me, world without end, it was "a land without a people, for a
people without a land", thus incidentally violating one of the most basic
principles of demography - that if a land is at all viable for human
settlement, then it will be settled - unless it is so far out of the beaten
track it never occurs to anyone to even get there in the first place, a la
Kerguelen Island, Southern Indian Ocean or Auckland Island, Southern Ocean.

Getting back to 1948, I would be interested in finding out precisely what
compensation was ever paid to the inhabitants of Lod and Ramle.

>From what I can make out, the Zionist argument is that only Jews can own the
Land Now Known As Israel - therefore the thousand and more years occupancy
by the Palestinian Arabs cannot be viewed as giving them any title to the
land. A very similar argument was put forward by the Spanish Crown
concerning the Spanish Christians' sole right of Spanish citizenship and
the therefore invalid claim of the Jews and the Muslims in Spain to any
form of Spanish citizenship. 1492 is a very interesting year.

Is that the company Israeli Jews wish to keep?

Wesley Parish
--
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lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I
get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she
fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.
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