Re: Thread stolen from rasfw; Magic and Society

In article <pp1010tjj3c9$.aup42hzfgl5g$.dlg@xxxxxxxxxx>, see-sig@no-
spams.coms says...
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:04:53 +0100, Gerry Quinn wrote:
In article <ooslsj1hot0e$.9f5p9641cbhv.dlg@xxxxxxxxxx>, see-sig@no-
spams.coms says...

I used acoustic for a thought experiment using familiar materials and
senses. The issue was 'vibrations'-unspecified; I'm not trying to tie it
down to acoustics.

Of course; but then what other kind(s) of vibrations did you have in
mind?

I'm not speculating on that.

If you are speculating that 'vibrations' are the means of some kind of
water-sense, then you are. It's just that you have a sudden cut-off in
your willingness to speculate, round about where one might begin to
home in on any testing or verification process...

The only obvious alternative is electromagnetic radiation, which
is also fairly well understood.

Does 'well understood' include 'we know that a person couldn't sense it'?

It means that we can estimate how well he could sense it, how much is
likely to be present, and whether underground water would affect it.

If that worked, we could make dowsing machines.

Yes, find out what some dowsers might be doing, and emulate it. A better
use of research money, than trying to prove dowsing is bunk.

To find out what they are doing, it is first necessary to demonstrate
that they are doing something.

That may be starting at the wrong end. An experiment that doesn't fit
what's really happening, may report that nothing's happening.

If the experiment is designed precisely to tell whether they are doing
something or nothing, I don't see how that could be an issue.

- Gerry Quinn
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