Re: Lord D'Arcy and steam elevators

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:48:56 +0200, nyra <nyra@xxxxxxx>
wrote in <news:4448B898.FC1BF2C7@xxxxxxx> in
rec.arts.sf.composition:

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The only 'normal' plosive-fricative combinations i'm aware of in
german are t+s (Zugzwang, german 'z' is pronounced 'ts'; 'Zwang'
starts with a combination of a plosive with two fricatives)

Actually, I think that German has an affricate there, not a
true stop + fricative combination. German arguably also has
the affricate [tS], usually spelled <tsch>, as in <Quatsch>.
Initially it's rare and mostly foreign, though there is
<tschüs(s)>, which has been so thoroughly assimilated that
its origin (French <adieu>, Spanish <adios>, or both) isn't
particularly obvious.

and k+v> ('qu' Quark, Quelle, quietschen etc.). 'Pf' is
there, but has a tendency to turn into simple 'f' (Pferd,
Pfanne etc.);

Here again I think that we have an affricate, not a pair of
segments.

which is somewhat logical, because in most places in which
'pf' crops up it appears to be the intermediary stage of
a p->f phoneme shift.

A fact that tends to support the affricate analysis.

Some Swiss dialects also have the affricate [kx] (from [k],
parallel to [ts] from [t] and [pf] from [p]).

Brian
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