Re: OT: "Justice" in Iran

On Sun, 31 May 2009 20:03:53 +1000, Mike Burke <mburke@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2009 05:35:13 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
<barss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Mike Burke <mburke@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
: On Sat, 30 May 2009 16:23:37 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
: <barss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:>Francis A. Miniter <faminiter@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>: John Oliver wrote:
:>:> This may be of interest to those who want to trust the government of
:>:> Iran.
:>:>
:>:> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124355320443064445.html
:>:> --
:>:> John Oliver
:>:> jdoliver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
:>:> AIM or MSN jdoliver98
:>
:>
:>: Usually, the US is more advanced than Iran, child executions
:>: in America were only stopped four years ago by the US
:>: Supreme Court, over strenuous opposition from state
:>: governments. At the time of the ruling in Roper v. Simmons,
:>: 20 states permitted the execution of juveniles. Also at the
:>: time of the ruling , Texas had 29 juveniles awaiting
:>: execution.
:>
:>Were these really "children", or teenagers under 18?

: Here in Oz, for most purposes, people under the age of 18 are
: "children" by definition. Although there are laws which further apply
: to children under certain specific ages, eg age of consent laws apply
: to children under 16, and certain other laws apply to children under
: 10, I know of no legal category of "teenagers".



Sure. But when one says "children", I think of quite young ones
(perhaps because I have a just-turned-7-year old), not, say,
a 17 and a half year old. There is at least a moral, if not legal,
difference (to me) between a crime committed by a 10 year old vs
someone a month away from reaching legal majority.

Indeed. Although these days I wonder about my just-about-to-turn 7
and just turned 9 year old grand-daughters who seem to me to be
nudging their own idea of 'majority' right now.

Good luck with your 7 year-old. :-)

Mique

My dictionary gives

child

child [child]
(plural children [chíldr?n])
n
1. young human being: a young human being between birth and puberty
2. human offspring: a son or daughter of human parents
3. somebody not yet of age: somebody under a legally specified age
who is considered not to be legally responsible for his or her actions
4. baby: a baby or infant
5. unborn baby: an unborn baby
6. immature person: an adult who behaves in a childish or childlike
way
7. descendant or member of a people: a descendant of somebody, or a
member of a people founded by somebody (often used in the plural)
8. product or result: somebody or something considered to be either
produced or strongly influenced by a particular environment, period,
or historical figure
a child of nature
a child of the 1960s

9. female child: a specifically female child or infant (regional)


[Old English cild , of uncertain origin]

with child pregnant (archaic or literary)
Word Key: Synonyms
See Synonyms at youth
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Note that 1) is under puberty and 3) is someone not of age. Common
usage seems to differ from legal usage.
--
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