Re: music video - pull up with 744

On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:02:37 -0400, Jay Rose wrote
(in article <2006081314023716807-seesigfile@nowherecom>):


On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:30:20 -0400, Courtney Goodin wrote

... When we are talking about playback of audio tracks it really has
nothing to do with Time Code generators or the computer's internal
real-time clock. The D to A converters usually have a dedicated
crystal and their sample clocks determine the accuracy of the playback.

Well if we're talking about most gear, the ADC are the ruling clock,
not the DAC. But since they're often on the same card, that's moot.
What is critical is that in a pro situation, the ADC's dedicated
crystal is usually ignored. Instead the entire audio system is locked
either to input, to external word clock, or to external video
blackburst. Since other gear and video playback shares the same
reference, accuracy is a relative term:

- everybody marches to the same drummer, so once sync is
established, things stay in sync for the duration of that pass.
(Assuming, of course, that editorial hadn't already destroyed sync...
but that's another issue.)

- there is no guarantee that studio's 'accuracy' matches any others,
unless you're deriving house sync from GPS or similar standard clocks.
In other words, if two dub theaters start playing the same film at
exactly the same microsecond, a couple of hours later the two theaters
could be seconds or more out of sync with each other. But within a
single theater, all the dubbers / VTRs / DAWs etc will stay in sync
with each other.

On 2006-08-13 11:46:31 -0400, Ty Ford <tyreeford@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:...

The little I know is that I once recorded two tracks of a concert to my
laptop and two more tracks to DAT. It took about 10 seconds of playback
for them to noticeably drift out of sync....

Bad luck. I did the calculations based on moderate priced crystals, a
few years ago, and came up with 1 frame drift in 40 minutes per device.
That's assuming constant equal temperatures, well designed
software/circuits, and no physical shocks. Since two devices can drift
in opposite directions, the net error could be 1 frame in 20 minutes.

I've had correspondents report noticeable sync errors between miniDV
and standalone CD recorder after 6 minutes. And I had a very early DAW
(1989 design, analog-only inputs) drift from my house video after about
4 minutes. But ten seconds?

Or by 'noticeably', are you referring to a flange sound rather than a
lipsync error? That would happen after ~ 7 ms, which is roughly 1/4
video frame, which is still 1 frame/40 seconds and pretty bad for two
crystal-controlled devices.

the audio only. they walked apart VERY quickly.

Ty



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

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