Re: Review: Religulous (2008)
- From: Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:39:34 -0700 (PDT)
On Oct 30, 7:56 pm, Mark Leeper <mlee...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 29, 10:40 pm, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:29 am, Mark Leeper <mlee...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 28, 12:25 pm, Mark Leeper <mlee...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
One of the problems with reviewing a controversial documentary is that
it always seems to start fights on the Internet.
Consider this. You can design a one-to-one correspondence between the
Integers and the Rational numbers, but not between the Rationals and
the real numbers. There are too few Rationals numbers and too many
Reals.
There is a question whether there exists a set that lies between, too
big to be put in one-to-one correspondence with the Rationals but too
small to be put in one-to-one correspondence with the Reals. I do not
know the answer to that question. You don't either. In fact in has
been proven (by my old professor Paul Cohen) that the universe does
not give us the tools to ever determine if such a file exists. Any
argument you could make that such a file must exist has to have a
logical error in it. Any argument you could make that the file does
not exist is similarly flawed. Some questions will just be forever
unresolved. There are just not the tools to determine the issue.
Almost certainly the universe similarly does not give us the tools to
know if there is a God or not. Any comprehensible argument that God
exists that I have ever seen is flawed. Any comprehensible argument
that God does not exist that I have ever seen is also flawed. This is
just not a question that is ameanable to rationality from either
side. That is much of Bill Maher's point.
Now maybe I am wrong and there is someone out there who could make a
valid argument one way to the other, but I am darn sure he is not on
the Internet reading my film reviews. :-)
The Bible is devoted to describing what Christians mean by God. All
you need to do is find a contradiction in the Bible to prove that
their God doesn't exist. Go ahead and read Genesis 1 and 2 and if
you've found any contradictions then you've done my job for me.
Well, that is probably not true. Proving inconsistencies in the Bible
(not at all difficult to do, in my opinion) would have some
interesting implications, but it surely would not prove the non-
existence of God. It is quite possible that nobody in history has
ever had any true concept of God, but that He (of She or It) still
exists. I don't think that the Universe gives us any tools to decide
that issue.
Like I said before, if you want to worship a rock and say it is your
god then your god exists, no question about that, but Christians
worship the God described in the Bible so the inconsistencies in the
Bible become an issue that Christians then have to address if they
expect any rational person to believe their nonsense.
Martin
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