Re: Will there ever be a mainstream movie about homosexual love that isn't called "propaganda" by religious types?


Paul of El Cajon wrote:
On 13 Feb 2006 21:18:54 -0800, "The RSF Group" <aegisigea@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

our bodies are designed in such a way that the female was meant to
complement the male. the *** was designed by nature to pork the
poon. so, a hetero male's mental wish is harmonious with his physical
design and behavior.

This is very true. If the male and female bodies were not complementry to each
other there could be no procreation and the human race would have died out
thousands of years ago (millions for some people). But, that doesn't mean that
is their exclusive use. It is simply one use.

it's the main and essential use. other uses are peripheral or
dysfunctional.



but, when you lust after another guy, your mental wish is at odds with
your physical design.

Why? Men and men and men and women do the same thing. Why is one wrong and the
other okay?

cuz men don't have poons. not having poons, sex between men become
weird.


since neither you nor your male partner has a ***, you guys have to fuc* the shi*hole.
and the shi*hole was not designed to be penetrated and squirted with
sperm.

But men do the same thing to women and because it is a woman it is okay?

it's NOT okay. i think anal sex is wrong for everyone. i mean a penis
shouldn't go up the arse.
i know some heteros do anal sex cuz they think of sex as something
dirty and skanky and wild and about being bad bad boys and girls. but,
i think it's unsavory.


sperm is produced as a reproductive agent. to shoot into the
vagina and fertilize the egg.

But where is the reproduction when your girlfriend/wife/whore performes oral
copulation to climax?

but there is still the meaning of the attraction between male and
female. even though most sperm is wasted in our modern world--thru use
of contraceptives--the main meaning of sexuality is preserved thru male
and a female sexual activity.
it's like our agriculture. we have over-abundance of food in the US.
alot of farmers produce excess food and are subsidized. wasteful? yes.
but, it still preserves the meaning of the importance of agriculture,
of the family farm, of food. even if the food is not eaten, it has
meaning cuz we need food.
so, even when man and a woman wastes sperm, the meaning of male/female
union is preserved thru sex between man and woman. when men use
condoms, they are wasting sperm. and, we must waste sperm cuz we would
have a huge overpopulation problem if we got a ho impregnated every
time we humped.
still, the meaning of male/female union is essential and of primary
importance. so, male/female sex is meaningful even if it is not
reproductive everytime they bang one another.



even if we don't have sex to have kids, the underlying psycho-physical impulse behind
sex is the reproductive drive. biology created orgasm cuz life wants to perpetrate itself thru
generations.

Once again this is true. But even you admit there are times when people have
sex with no reproductive intentions in mind. So all sex is not for reproductive
purposes.

i'm saying the emotional meaning is reproductive. and that meaning
must be preserved.
of course most sex is not for reproduction, especially in the modern
world with low infant mortality and high expenses for raising kids.
but, the very reason why we have sexual desire in the first place is
cuz it's the reproductive drive. so, it's a reproductive impulse. so,
sex is meaningful when it's male/female. even if it's not for the
purpose of having kids, the drive for sex is the lifeform's desire to
replicate.
we must not forget the main meaning of why things are.




arms are not wings, and the anus is not a sexual organ.

Sure it is if you use it as one.

this is nihilistic. sex may be pleasurable and even allow some
creativity but it must revolve around the male/female reproductive
impulse. anus has nothing to do with sexuality beyond the fact that
it's close to the poon.

we can't just say whatever is whatever just because we say it is.
suppose i say my elbow is a sexual organ and try to shove it up a poon.
is my elbow a sexual organ?



oral sex is an appetizer, not the main course. also, between male and
female, the basic meaning of sexuality--male and female attraction and
excitement--is preserved.

True again! But there is also same sex attraction. It is a fact of life. It
exists. It is just another peice of life.

that's what i say.



kissing is not sex but an expression of affection that leads to
intimacy. animals in nature also hug and rub another. dogs even lick
eachother. it's like kissing.


And speaking of animals, there is even homosexuality amoung the animal kingdom.
Ever see a male dog hump another male dog? Do some reading about animals and
homosexuality. (well, I guess we can't call it homosexuality as homo means
man.) Whatever one would call it, it exists. Doesn't that suggest it is a
natural thing? Are their hormones mixed up to? Or did they choose to be
homosexual like so many people think homosexuals have chosen that life style?

yes, some animals are dysfunctional. dysfunctions occur naturally but
they are not healthy. if it was healthy or just as legit as
heterosexuality, then noah could have packed his ark with all male/male
or female/female pairings. would animals species have survived? no,
i'm not religious but i'm using that as an example of the essential
nature of nature.

some animals are chemically imbalanced. some are just frustrated cuz
there is not suitable partner around. some dogs hump people's legs.
my male cat was horny and tried to hump my other male cat, my shirt, my
socks, my shoes, etc. it's like how prison mates, though not gay, hump
one another.

and 'homo' in homosexuality doesn't mean 'man' but homogenous. so, it's
okay to say there is homosexuality among animals.

just because something is produced by nature doesn't mean it's healthy
or meaningful. some humans are born with one eye or three arms. some
animals are naturally born deformed. those are dysfunctions.




masturbation is fantasization of sex so it's a substitute for what's
natural.

There is that judgemental and arbitrary word "natural" again.

male/female sex is natural. fantasization of male/female sex is about
what's natural. it's like fantasizing about eating something when
one's hungry. hunger is natural. you need to eat to live.
male/female desire and sex is natural. we need it to survive generation
after generation.
we want to eat. we want to bang. there is a process of preparation or
expectation before the act. so, hetero masturbation is associated with
what's natural. it means the whacker or the frigger WANTS to do the
natural thing.



it's like imagining you're eating when you are starving but
don't have any food. it's natural.
fantasizing what you want is natural.
fantasizing or practicing putrid stuff like buttporking is irrational,
unnatural, and putrid.

do you want some guy to pork your ass?

Many men who went to prison didn't think so when they went in. When they came
out it was a different matter.

out of frustration. or, out of fear cuz if you didn't bend over, bubba
would whup your ass.
not healthy.



i can see the sexual attractiveness of good looking male guys.

Well there you go. You, a heterosexual can be sexually attracted to another
man. The only diference is that because you are heterosexual you don't act on
your attraction. Homosexuals do.

no, not sexually attracted. aesthetically appreciative.



i can see the attractiveness of certain animals. many animals are
beautiful. but, i still don't wanna pork them.

That is a totally different kind of attraction. It is not a sexual attraction.
And if it is, you need help. Sex MUST be concentual. An animal or child can
not give concent.

sure, children can give consent. look, i think pedo is wrong, wrong,
wrong. but if some hot ho had asked me to hump her when i was 9 yrs
old, i prolly would have consented. boys are horny by the age of 9 or
10.
and animals are horny as hell. dogs sometimes hump the legs of people.
they wanna get it on.



and i can see the beauty and cuteness of children. but, i don't wanna
say 'show me your wee wee'. i mean that's pedophilia.

And pedophilia is wrong for reasons stated above.

but it can be consensual. most boys would gladly do grown women.



seeing the sexual attractiveness of brad pitt and feeling the sexual
attractiveness for brad pitt are totally different things. neither my
nor brad's body were designed for sex with males.

Sure they were. It happens all the time. That is what we are talking about.

but, neither brad nor i have titties or poons. what's the point?



that would require buttporking and that's sick.

Judgemental words again. You learned that but it doesn't make it a fact.

nature judges. when an animal sniffs something, he judges it as edible
or not. when we come upon an animal, we must judge whether it's
dangerous or harmful. it's about evolutionary survival. a careless
animal that doesn't judge a poisonous snake for what it is is gonna
die.
civilization also has rules that are necessary for its longterm
survival. we must maintain what is essential. civilization is about
the survival of the fittest morals. when we lose sight of what is
essential, we grow decadent. i believe in tolerance of gays. but,
elevation of gayness as just as legit as real sexuality makes for a
weak, decadent, and confused society.
too much dogmatism prevents progress. but, too much acceptance and the
loss of standards create decadence and decline.
civilization must judge what is essential and natural and rational. it
must reject or keep at bay what is peripheral, dysfunctional, and
unnatural. we can allow for all kinds of voices and expressions. but,
at the end of the day, we must choose what is essential, meaningful,
and purposeful. gayness is not it, at least not when it comes to
social morality and responsibility. all children are created by union
of male/female. the most important value among people is the
seriousness of male/female union and the sense of obligation among men
and women to share the responsibility of raising the kids they produced
together.



also, male and female are opposites that were meant to complete the
other. male and male is just too much, and female and female is just
too lacking.

And that is your belief which you learned from some place. So male/male sex is
not for you, you are a heterosexual and that is fine. But others are not
heterosexual and they deserve a hastle free life as you do.

i say let gays do what they do. the problem is they are hassling us by
demanding that all of us accept gayness as just as legit as real
sexuality. the demand for gay marriage is an affront to our values.
why can't gays just be gay and leave us alone? instead, they seek to
change an institution sacred to heteros.
today, anyone who thinks gay sex is unsavory is labeled, indeed
insulted, as a 'homophobe'.
even 'objective' journalists routinely use the bogus term 'homophobe'.
and gayness isnt' merely examined or observed but glorified and
celebrated thru such sappy propaganda flicks as brokeback mountain or
philadelphia.
brokeback mountain's purpose is to mainstreamize gayness. it's aimed at
us. it subverts the western to belittle manly american virtues and to
glorify what is unnatural and dysfunctional.


And as for the female and female together, it seems a great many men are truned
on by that. So much so in fact they put tame pictures in men's magazines.

that's not because men like lesbians. when men see two naked women,
they see two women so frustrated in the absence of a guy that they are
doing eachother. men would not be attracted by images of two real
dykes.
men are attracted by images of two hetero women who are so horny in the
absence of a man that they are busy frigging one another. men looking
at those images imagine themselves being a part of the action. they
imagine that if they were to enter the scene, the two frustrated
females would stop their unfulfilling act and suck the man's *** and
be his slaves.



nature didn't create sexuality just for the hell of it, just
so we can treat it as a toy.

But earlier you said you could have sex without wanting to procreate.


consciously, most people don't have sex to procreate. but, it's
subconscious. the reason why we want to fuc* in the first place is cuz
of the reproductive energy.
all animals don't know that fuc*ing begats kids. they can't put 2 and 2
together. but, the reason why animals feel sexual desire is cuz there
is a subconscious force in them that wants to drive them toward
reproduction.
so, the true meaning of sex is reproductive energy even when we don't
consciously want children.
even gay sexual desire is based on reproductive energy. but, since gays
are biochemically messed up, they confuse the meaning of male and
female. but, look at alot of gays and they want to have children thru
sex. but, their sex cannot produce children. so, they try to steal
children from heterosexual sex while rejecting heterosexual lifestyle.
gay parents raise children produced thru heterosexual union but pretend
that gayness is just as sexually legit and productive as hetero sex.



but, along the way, some people got hormonally screwed up, with male
and female biochemistry getting messed up. so, your problem is half of
you thinks you are a girl when your body is all male.

Oh no, no, no, no. Not true entirely. While there definately are some people
who have more of the opposite sex's hormones and take on more of the attributes
of the opposite sex, this is not necessarily homosexuality. Two men (guys who
look and act very masculine) can be and are attracted to each other. Just go
down to your local adult video store and check out a few videos. It has nothing
to do with hormones. Has to do with genes. They got the homosexual one and you
got the heterosexual one.

genes determine biochemistry. if you got gay gene, it mean you have
gay biochemistry where you aren't sure if you're male or female.
granted, there are supermacho gays. but those guys may be
biochemically messed up too. a normal guy is supposed to be drawn to
the softness of femality. and a normal girl is supposed to be drawn to
the hardness of maleity. but, a supermacho guy who only wants another
supermacho guy is hypertestarone driven and just as dysfunctional as
feminine gays.
still, hypermacho gays might make good warriors and femine gays may
make good artists so they should stick to fighting or painting.

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