Re: narnia is a WHITE WASH


deering24 wrote:
> "Coffee, Tea, or Ice?" wrote:
> >
> > I don't need to produce "major stats for that assertion".
>
> "It is because I say it is" is a singularly stupid arguement.
>
>
> > I simply don't
> > feel obligated to bow down to some p.c. ideology and say that we're all
> > really the same inside and out, when the truth is we're not. Whites have
> > their own interests and culture, blacks have their own interests and
> > culture, and sometimes these cultures overlap and sometimes they don't.
>
> And "All whites are the same and all blacks are the same in terms of
> their interests" is an even worse one.
>
>
> And
> > in between you'll get a few from each side that gravitate towards the other
> > sides culture and interests. There simply is NO grass roots support among
> > the black community for: The Republican Party,
>
> Because the Republican Party does not care about African-American
> interests.

In other words it doesn't give them affirmative action and other
preferential treatment. Blacks aren't interested in equality, blacks
are interested in special interest groups like the NAACP giving them
special race based perks.



It offers token black conservatives that it uses up and
> tosses away when they cease to be useful idiots. It consistently regards
> AAmericans as ignorant children who can't think for themselves--or as
> ripoff artists out to scam respectable white society. And it thinks
> black folks don't notice the contempt and outright hatred too many of
> its members have for them.
>
>
> > hockey, and science fiction/fantasy. That's not a bad thing. It is what it is, but to act like
> > black people don't think alike on certain issues is ridiculous.
>
> And you've talked to a great number of black folks so you know this for
> certain, yes?
>
>
> > Your argument only has merit if you and your brothers are black,
>
>
> Bwhahahahahahahahaahah. That's the first right thing you've said thus
> far--g!
>
>
> and even if
> > that is the case, your argument still has as much merit as mine or anyone
> > elses (in other words, practically none). I never said that NO black
> > Americans read science fiction or fantasy novels, but if you think the black
> > American audience reads sci-fi and fantasy novels in the same proportions
> > that the white American audience does you're smoking some serious weed.
>
> So why is that a reason in your view to not have colorblind casting?

"colorblind casting" is anything but. The black characters are either
noble and sweet, or cool badass muhphuckas. Like Finding Forrester, or
every character Will Smith and Rock play. (That brings up a good point:
have you noticed how all action movies made in jew controlled hollywood
today have black main characters and white bad guys?) When's the last
time a negro played a character like Tom Arnold's in Bad Boys, or Joe
Pantoliano's in The Matrix?

Not to mention "colorblind casting" always means giving white character
roles to black actors. In the Marvel comics movies Kingpin and other
important white characters were given to black actors, but Marvel is
also working on a Luke Cage movie that they want Jamie Foxx to star in,
and of course there was Blade which was played by Wesley Snipes. Roles
for white characters are given to black actors, but roles for black
characters aren't given to white actors.




> Doesn't it make good business sense to appeal to a larger audience?

Not when they do nothing but kiss negro ass, and then ruin the movie.
I'm sick of the super-positive portrayals always given to blacks in
hollywood. Look at any movie and all the blacks are kindhearted, meek,
unassuming oreos that always speak perfect english like Finding
Forrester. Or they act like Will Smith. You never see black villains,
or blacks acting in any low class way. Trashy ghetto blacks are
completely absent. Street crime committed by black thugs is completely
absent. All the cops and judges are black, but all the muggers and low
level street thugs are white. Nor are there any black comedy relief
characters like Tom Arnold's character in Bad Boys.


And
> doesn't it make artistic sense to cast someone who can play a part well
> instead of just going by their looks? And for your information, I
> graduated from a black college. In my media classes alone were a good
> number of folks who saw fantasy/SF movies as soon as they came out and
> who were into SF books and TV shows. The Christmas that the first STAR
> TREK movie and FLASH GORDON came out, just about everyone in my Mass
> Media 203 class went to see on or the other on their vacation (which I
> remember quite well because I skipped both of them--g!)

You don't speak for the vast majority of blacks.


>
>
> > And? There's no doubt that Hollywood has tried to deepen its bank account by
> > appealing to a wider audience because Hollywood cares only about GREEN, but
> > in this case they've attempted to manufacture an audience rather than cater
> > to one that wasn't being served. And I'm all for manufacturing an audience
> > where one doesn't exist, and if black audiences want to get in on the
> > fantasy/sci-fi genre, more power to them. But in the meantime I won't feel
> > compelled to pretend they are out there in mass numbers just waiting for
> > Hollywood to discover them.
>
>
> Because you have no idea how many black folks _are_ out there who are
> into SF or could be a potential audience for it.
>
> > H'Wood never misses an opportunity to extract a
> > buck from a turnip. If H'Wood sniffed a money-making opportunity among the
> > black audience, they'd have pounced on it by now. As far as ALIEN
> > goes...that may have been a reaction to the criticism that Star Wars
> > received than anything else. There was certainly a lot of political pressure
> > put on the film industry to be more all-inclusive during that time. Quite
> > frankly, I think some of the political pressure was a good thing. I think
> > young black children needed to see an Uhura on a television show. When done
> > properly , film and television can be a force for fostering good social
> > progress. Nobody wants tokenism.
>
>
> Unfortunately, folks like you swear that for every bit of progress that
> is made, there are at least three instances of tokenism--a claim you
> can't prove. And, given the number of times some white-boy hunk or
> blonde chick gets cast because of their looks, why aren't those
> instances worthy as as much outrage as you bring to the rare times black
> folks get cast in this regard?
>
>
> > Probably about a dozen. This discussion actually came up back in mid-May
> > when Revenge of the Sith was coming out. I was talking with a black
> > co-worker and he hadn't even heard of the title Revenge of the Sith, knew
> > nothing about it, and when I informed him that it was Star Wars, he said it
> > made no difference, he wasn't interested in sci-fi. So that got a running
> > dialogue going and I asked a black manager if he was going to see Sith, and
> > not only was he not going to see Sith, but he'd never seen any of the Star
> > Wars films. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. When I asked why he said, and I quote:
> > "Brothers don't do space." Granted, he said "Brothers don't do space"
> > laughingly, but he meant it all the same. Which then led us to debating the
> > premise of the cancelled UPN show "Homeboyz in Outerspace", but I won't go
> > there in this thread.
>
> Dude, that's two you've mentioned. Where are the other ten? And how do
> you know Mr. "brothers don't do space" wasn't handing you a line? My
> brothers often like to pull that on folks who just can't believe that
> they 1) read 2) know SF. :)
>
>
> > Books written by black authors *may* include black characters, which then
> > means that if the book gets adapted to the screen, a black actor is
> > hopefully more likely to get cast (see: James Patterson or Terry McMillian).
> > James Patterson's lead character probably could've been played by any actor
> > of any race, but Patterson wrote him as a black man, the books have been
> > phenomenally successful, and therefore the audience is reasonably expecting
> > a black actor in the role. That's my point about Tolkien, Lewis, etc....
>
>
> THE PELICAN BRIEF arguably benefitted from Denzel getting cast in what
> was a fairly standard part on paper. If an actor can play the part and
> brings something vital to it, what difference does it make? And for you
> to ask black actors to "wait" until we've got our own Tolkien or Lewis
> makes about as much sense as accomodationists back in the 60's
> condemming MLK Jr. for stirring up trouble and not waiting until white
> folks saw fit to integrate. The LOTR trillogy, TCON, and most big-budget
> SF/fantasy movies mean a lot of jobs, long-term work, and
> opportunity--opportunity that any actor in his right mind would go for.
> For you to say that black actors shouldn't get a fair shot at them
> because of lame racial rationalizations, well, that not only doesn't
> make sense, it's economic discrimination to boot.
>
> > No, I'm not the one with the problem. I didn't sit through Diary of a Mad
> > Black Woman and yell about there not being more white people in it. I didn't
> > sit through Nutty Professor II: The Klumps and yell that there weren't
> > enough white people in the film. People who are doing the racial bean
> > counting, whether in LotR, Narnia, or Star Wars, are the ones with the
> > problems.
>
>
> Because it's a matter of economics. If the majority of roles in big
> movies that could provide employment go to white actors because of
> unfounded racial reasons, that, again, is economic discrimination.

The problem is that there are only a few roles jew hollywood will give
to black actors. They're interested in promoting blacks and gloryifing
blacks, so they only cast blacks in roles that glorify or promote
blacks. Like the black character in Gladiator. Remember the black
character in Gladiator? That was propaganda if I ever saw it.



>
>
> > The folks who want "equal casting opportunities" often want them at the
> > expense of the literary characters, historical accuracy, expectations of the
> > fan base, etc...and I"m not down with that.
>
> Give up one example of this happening. Just one.

Robin Hood.


>
> > And if I am a racist for wanting
> > Kingpin to be white in Daredevil then I'll gladly accept such label. At
> > least Tim Story didn't turn Sue Storm into a sassy, black woman and remained
> > marginally faithful to the characters.
> >
> > Can't wait to read the racial bean counters complaints about King Kong.
>
> Why? Because you have proof there were no black folks at all in 1930's
> NYC so it will spoil your expectations if the movie shows any?
>
> C.
> **

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