Re: Someone please inform Gary Lima...
- From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
- Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:48:52 GMT
"Jim Blansett" <jim_blansett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On 27 May 2007 11:12:47 -0700, MelodiousThunk
<thunk.melodious@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 25, 6:37 pm, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
"Zorb" <mzeer...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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<snip>
I dont think so Jim,
This place is just a Newsgroup, a place where you can
play War of Words (a place where you can release
insanity), you never know Jim, in real life? Catherine
is probably just as she has always been (as you've known
her back when),
Which also either indicates that they were either stupid then and stupid now -
initially - or were lying then about who and what they were then and pretended
initially in these past eight years as well. Had EVERYONE not been lying then, all
this could (and ought to) have been avoided. But given that EVERYONE still
apparently wishes to inflict on others what they inflicted then, well...
You respond to the situation based upon your own choices, Zorb - as you did and
didn't back then. That helps 'splain what you are doing here now. That is, if it
really is you rather than someone else pretending to be you.
but here in RAMD? She's doing the RELEASE!
All this digital media stuff that we deal with all the time
is just one of the Seven Wonders of the Land, called?
Entertainment.
"Entertainment" or things that piss you off? At best, you have a masochistic
fascination with things you also claim to find entertaining, Zorb. At worst, you
continue to lie about it all. Whichever.
<::yawn::> And the weiner of the Lee Rudnicki "I'm Back
After Taking my Ball and Going Home non-award is..."
!
<snip>From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> <snip>
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"Jim Blansett" <jim_blans...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 May 2007 10:12:47 -0700, Charlie Groh wrote:
On 25 May 2007 06:53:01 -0500, Jim Blansett
<jim_blans...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2007 00:34:37 GMT, "Catherine"
<Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
<snipped>
So keep on with the many unfair standards WAY
unfairly applied - and lies. The fact you want to say
something about that now JB? Puts a whole 'nother
spin on Dumont Street. You were how old then?
All particpants were capable of legally giving informed
consent - in other words, adults.
Was Angela also of-age? Speaking "of-age", what about all the alcohol? Also, and
it's rather amazing after all this time - but it speaks even more to the truth of
predatory exploitation, for those who care more about the preyed upon than those who
want to keep on preying - some of the other realities of that tour. Am glad <not
really> of all the continuing interest and posts, and what they indicate to others
who aren't here on RAMD attempting to style themselves as blando leaders and
apologists.
Because with more pertinent information, then as now, some people become more and
more apparent - as do Ron Housley's open questions and unfortunately one-sided
discussions.
And you, Bill. You mentioned Gail Royer's horrible sins - in an attempt to appear
reasonable, and to pretend that's part of the reason you went back to the VK after
yer tour north - and in advance of both Tim Moxley and Chris Nalls, amongst other
people. You also alleged once that you were part of being alienated out of
instructing in 1981. Things you actually believe which actually apply to "the
activity" and the people in them, or just manipulative tools for this target? Am not
expecting any sort of reply which will only require a suspension of belief with
regard to the inconsistencies of the person holding forth...
Charlie at the lifeguard station at Huntington Beach
when all us underagers got popped by the beach patrol?
Some of the history of the
...yah, and good ol' Charlie steered those mean beach patrolers
away...don't recall chatty Cathy being there, tho...maybe she
was with Noni, so I didn't notice.
You weren't there (not this particular time anyhoo - gee, there
were more such instances? Do tell, JB...). Charlie was the
only one over 21 - and he was off at the lifeguard station
with someone... That was why we were all calling "oh,
Charlie..."
You're painting informal member get-togethers as if they
were official functions.
That excuse doesn't fly any more these days. But it does interest me to know that
you have different sets of moral guidelines in one situation over another, and appear
to believe that younger people who don't realize they are being lied to and
manipulated by those older than they are have more of a responsibility to understand
the situation than said older people - particularly given that said older people, in
the history of the destruction of southern California drum corps (at least), were
working together in ways that said younger people knew nothing about.
You are lying.
Yer deep and sincere concerns about lying and those who do it are noted and given the
consideration such deserves.
In fact, Charlie's facility of immediately sayin', "yes, I'm
Rocco Oliverio and we Kingsmen just got out of
rehearsal" takes on a whole new significance - regarding
ease of lying.
There's a difference between alcohol and sex.
I realize your experiences may be different,
but the two can be mutually exclusive.
Not addressing the details, throwing something out like this (whether it does or
doesn't apply to the situation(s)), and then an attack (again, based upon nothing).
I realize I'm not going to get any honest answers from you now, just as I and others
didn't then. Thanks <not really> for detailing such for other reasonable people.
...what's the mantra, "...unfair standards..." and all that rot?
Yer deep and sincere concerns for unfair standards, unfairly applied...
Jimenez'?
<snipped, again>
It's all re-appended below. Honest people with nothing to hide or coverup can read
it. As for me, I simply expect this sort of abuse. Such loses whatever power it
once had, once the manipulative triggers are gone.
Keep digging...
You're a hypocrite - be a big girl and admit it. It
might be your first step to recovery (assuming
it ain't too late).
JB's deep and sincere concerns regarding hypocrisy are also noted...
Not at all, JB. You and I already had this discussion
a long time ago, and I told you that you were mistaken
then in what you had perceived.
I notice you don't bring up Gary Lee...
Yeah, that's a topic which puts the lie to a lot of y'all, then and now. Many
discussions were being brought up over these past eight years - the reasons why y'all
asked them being illuminated by yer now-publicly stated attitudes. You stood by
then, and you stood by more recently - as you stood by for and even helped Berish.
Which puts a whole 'nother spin on just why JB and Charlie were right there in the
whole initial Berish and Schaafsma incident. And the entire blando community was
more than happy to participate - until I didn't go away as was intended.
...fat chance, JB...but from now on, I'm treating this
stuff as HUMOR...while I count how many times she
mentions *my* name along with yours
You view that as an improvement? Keep digging, Charlie...
(notice how we're a dynamic duo again? Heh...).
cg
I think the "again" is a mischaracterization. "still" is more like it, and would be
expected.
That also has 'splained sumthin' we've been wondering about.
I'd say thanks, but, well, you know...
And EVERYONE's deep and sincere concerns about
pedophiles, predators, and those who psychopathically
lie, manipulate and inflict such on people, no matter
the costs, are noted and given the consideration such
deserves.
I just knew it was a matter of time. Quite honestly, I'm
surprised it took her this long, since I cut her out of my
daily life a long damned time ago. And I feel much
better for it.
Interesting resonance between what Berish and Schaafsma
were doing and what you once claimed disagreeing with.
But I'm sure you and Charlie have had plenty of practice
over three, and probably four decades, of doing the same.
I don't believe I'm special at all in this arena - blandos like
you would have had to have lotsa practice. Unfortunately,
you also had guidance and grooming. Even more
unfortunately, you liked and respected predators and lying
manipulators - then and now..
I don't, and never did.
Yet by your own claim, every single instructor you ever had
was a lying manipulator.
That's a lie, Bill. I refused to allow those destroying drum corps then to redefine
the activity in what one can now see as the blando evolution, starting with Downey's
"they 'appreciate' us" to 'splain the dead response to the BD's performances. I
still refuse to allow people like you, JB, Charlie and others who continue to lie
about EVERYTHING to so redefine my experiences and the experiences of a whole lotta
other people.
That's why I continue to be a target. It's also why drum corps people were targets
in the first place - the targeting of which you have been a part of since 1973 where
I was concerned. The fact you were well able to spin it one way just as you are
spinning that another way now reveals you. That puts you in the Garry Parker Apology
crowd.
As for your deep and sincere concerns regarding kids who are being lied to by ALL
their instructors, that's unfortunately not an uncommon situation - these days. Your
attempt to victimize further those who have been victimized, no matter the costs, is
noted. Accusations of paranoia are easy - particularly when claimed by predators in
an activity who have been "saving" it for 35+ years.
So you did, and always did. And now you're doing
your damndest to out-lie and out-manipulate the
few people who will still engage you in conversation.
You're the one who came into this "conversation". And just as you phish for "all
[my] instructors", you certainly don't speak for all the people in my life. You
don't even speak for yourself, from the evidence of the over 1000 e-mails in our
largely 2001-2002 "discussions". 'Twas an interesting bit o' tag-teaming back then,
from a small <pun intended> clique. Any analysis today of the blando "evolution"
which doesn't address the facts of all these "techniques" simply denotes people who
are either lying to the mark, er... target, er... "product" to be recruited, or
mediocrities who don't believe in anything better who don't care about themselves or
anyone else.
So when I see the same thing going on, by many of the same people, with more of the
same people standing by... Y'all are just pissed off at being found out.
Awwwwwwwwww...
That's why I was targeted long ago.
You *were* in fact "targeted long ago," and we've talked
about that many times. It was because you were ahead
of the Orange County cultural curve.
Oh, that's not the reason, Bill. I 'spose you attempt to flatter me with this sort
of thing. Too bad for you I didn't care then about such things, and I don't care
now.
You, when you couldn't yet drive, had business cards
printed that read "Sex Goddess." So evidence of your lyin'
manipulations goes back to at least 1973.
You are the one lying and manipulating. You are wrong on your dates and misleading
on yer reportage, and you are also lying about the intentions - in ways that put the
lie to a lot of other words of yours. But yer deep and sincere concerns regarding
liars and manipulators...
-- Catherine?
(I love the Freudian slip!)
Damn, I missed that! Entirely apropos, don'tcha think?
Great catch, Mr. Thunk.
<snip the triple-post>
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
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"Zorb" <mzeerbar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I dont think so Jim,
This place is just a Newsgroup, a place where you can play War of
Words (a place where you can release insanity), you never know Jim,
in real life? Catherine is probably just as she has always been
(as you've known her back when), but here in RAMD? She's doing
the RELEASE!. All this digital media stuff that we deal with all
the time is just one of the Seven Wonders of the Land, called?
Entertainment.
<::yawn::> And the weiner of the Lee Rudnicki "I'm Back After Taking my Ball and
Going Home
non-award is..."
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
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"Jim Blansett" <jim_blansett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 May 2007 10:12:47 -0700, Charlie Groh wrote:
On 25 May 2007 06:53:01 -0500, Jim Blansett
<jim_blansett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2007 00:34:37 GMT, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
wrote:
<snipped>
So keep on with the many unfair standards WAY unfairly applied -
and lies. The fact you want to say something about that now JB?
Puts a whole 'nother spin on Dumont Street. You were how old then?
All particpants were capable of legally giving informed consent - in
other words, adults.
Charlie at the lifeguard station at Huntington Beach
when all us underagers got popped by the beach patrol?
Some of the history of the
...yah, and good ol' Charlie steered those mean beach patrolers
away...don't recall chatty Cathy being there, tho...maybe she
was with Noni, so I didn't notice.
You weren't there (not this particular time anyhoo - gee, there were more such
instances? Do tell, JB...). Charlie was the only one over 21 - and he was off at
the lifeguard station with someone... That was why we were all calling "oh,
Charlie..."
In fact, Charlie's facility of immediately sayin', "yes, I'm Rocco Oliverio and we
Kingsmen just got out of rehearsal" takes on a whole new significance - regarding
ease of lying.
There's a difference between alcohol and sex. I realize your
experiences may be different, but the two can be mutually exclusive.
...what's the mantra, "...unfair standards..." and all that rot?
Jimenez'?<snipped, again>
Keep digging...
You're a hypocrite - be a big girl and admit it. It might be your
first step to recovery (assuming it ain't too late).
Not at all, JB. You and I already had this discussion a long time ago, and I told
you that you were mistaken then in what you had perceived.
I notice you don't bring up Gary Lee...
...fat chance, JB...but from now on, I'm treating this
stuff as HUMOR...while I count how many times she
mentions *my* name along with yours
You view that as an improvement? Keep digging, Charlie...
(notice how we're a dynamic duo again? Heh...).
cg
That also has 'splained sumthin' we've been wondering about. I'd say thanks, but,
well, you know...
And EVERYONE's deep and sincere concerns about pedophiles, predators, and those who
psychopathically lie, manipulate and inflict such on people, no matter the costs, are
noted and given the consideration such deserves.
I just knew it was a matter of time. Quite honestly, I'm
surprised it took her this long, since I cut her out of my
daily life a long damned time ago. And I feel much
better for it.
Interesting resonance between what Berish and Schaafsma were doing and what you once
claimed disagreeing with. But I'm sure you and Charlie have had plenty of practice
over three, and probably four decades, of doing the same. I don't believe I'm
special at all in this arena - blandos like you would have had to have lotsa
practice. Unfortunately, you also had guidance and grooming. Even more
unfortunately, you liked and respected predators and lying manipulators - then and
now..
I don't, and never did. That's why I was targeted long ago.
-- Catherine?
From: "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
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"MelodiousThunk" <thunk.melodious@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On May 24, 1:34 pm, Jim Blansett <jim_blans...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>messagenews:um1a53h24lgfv19426onomjvtrb138ncot@xxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:47:34 -0700, Zorb <mzeer...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:51:48 GMT, "Catherine" <Catherine@yahoo!!!.com>
wrote:
<Charlie Groh> wrote in
messagenews:afme435klhqqksb3pruclg9uc2s2mfb2e0@xxxxxxxxxxOn Wed, 23 May 2007 21:00:50 -0500, "Catherine"
<Catherine@yahoo!!!.com> wrote:
<Charlie Groh> wrote in
On 13 May 2007 09:32:43 -0700, Taxm...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
<SNIP A WHOLE BUNCH... & the rest>
I admit I have been confused and sometimes disgusted by your ramblings
and stated as much in pretty harsh terms. However, don't include me
in your blando and lying categories. You don't know me, and I am
neither (although I did play for the kingsmen alumni corps
temporarily, but MOST of them are trying to do 'old time drum corps'
the best they can and I never ONCE heard anyone talking about lusting
over little kids)
Z
That just reminded me, Zorb. If my memory serves me correctly, there
was a time when Catherine, herself, was lusting after a 14 year-old
boy. She was, of course, older than that, by years. Does that make
her a pedophile?
<sigh>
I wuz hopin' it wouldn't come to this discussion...
Gee, Bill -- Holding something back? Of course, you remember better certain underage
girls staying at your house, and what happened and what didn't. I'm more than
willing and able to discuss such subjects - particularly under fair standards, fairly
applied.
And you can go on record for encouraging people to do to kids what someday, you
expose your own children to - if you encourage all this. "I was a friend of your
father's..." And for what? Hope it's worth selling people out. You never know what
such abuses will come back on you and yours <usual nonviolence disclaimers>, whether
or not what impacts you are people you know, or simply people in some other network.
For the record, when the individual involved was 14, that was the inevitable
statement - from me - wow, he's 14. Just as when people would ask about a certain
fellow FH, "who's your friend?", I would say "she's 14".
Unfortunately, she didn't get similar protection in Vince Lamb's 1978 AK.
And that's right, JB - you weren't around the VK in 1974. You had left. Interesting
how Charlie's "I was in Viet Nam" excuses him from all knowledge of what was
happening and what happened in 1970 VK (and you were allegedly there then), but you
will claim knowledge of things when you weren't around. It's lame, but the best
you've got I guess.
Feel free to discuss my alleged sins, while not to saying anything about Berish and
all the rest of instructor-student "relationships".
I fully acknowledge being "groomed" to accept things - because I was being lied to
about what was meant and intended. I have quite a lot of e-mails back and forth,
primarily from Ron Housley but also from others, which have taken on quite a
different intention as time continues to tell - as well as demonstrating lies over
the past eight years about just why some people were writing me. Including you,
given your change of expressed attitude once I finally busted Berish.
It's most interesting to revisit those e-mails now, even before I wised up about
blandos exploiting friendship, hopes, dreams, drum corps... Charlie's doing the
latter in these very posts, in a most illustrative way.
To decent people who care about protecting people from predators and lying
manipulators, that is.
If you want to claim that I was the only one in the 1970s VK who ever made sexually
inappropriate comments, go right ahead. Gee, I wonder where I might have got that
from, and whom the adults/instructors were that fed all that "culture"...
Just helps continue to proves my points today. And today, no one can reasonably
claim that EVERYTHING I complain of is solely due to my allegedly being scarred by my
past, by things which happened long ago and having nothing whatsoever to do with what
was being done and not being done around me. The same people are demonstrably worse
now - and the time to have forsworn knowledge and culpability due to ignorance or
immaturity <$.02 to Downey> is loooong gone.
So keep on with the many unfair standards WAY unfairly applied - and lies. The fact
you want to say something about that now JB? Puts a whole 'nother spin on Dumont
Street. You were how old then? Charlie at the lifeguard station at Huntington Beach
when all us underagers got popped by the beach patrol? Some of the history of the
Jimenez'?
"Fun" is only so when it spoils nothing better - Santayana In the case of
predators and exploiters who have spent decades scamming others, well, it's been a
education. But it wasn't drum corps then, and it's certainly not drum corps now.
Then there's all that blando "recruiting" I've witnessed (after I was out), and heard
about these days. I post about it. Y'all attack me for doing so, and putting the
lie in the here and now. I feel sorry for all of you. All this was inevitable -
unless you could break me, and you have not and will not. Ever. I've made sure of
that. Y'all, Downey, Gregg, Berish, all of you - losers, given what you need and
prefer to keep your predatory scams going.
Keep digging...
.
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