Re: Uproarious post for all the Iraqi's who expressed their newfound freedom

in article hckbq1pschs1noc1r65oog3kdosahnj7qa@xxxxxxx, Phil Earnhardt at
pae@xxxxxxx wrote on 12/18/05 16:59:

> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:46:28 GMT, Wage Peace <whatif@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> in article dv79q1t5b61egb66s24rjmj8ro3p45k7tk@xxxxxxx, Phil Earnhardt at
>> pae@xxxxxxx wrote on 12/17/05 18:51:
>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:24:08 GMT, Wage Peace <whatif@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Damn, guys. Don't pick on Phil. He's the smartest, most informed, and
>>>>>> has the most integrity of anyone in this newsgroup (that he "helped
>>>>>> start").
>>>>>
>>>>> Why the quotation marks?
>>>>
>>>> Because it's something that you have claimed, if I recall correctly.
>>>
>>> And, apparently, you failed to ask me whether or not it was true -- or
>>> take the 60 seconds to verify it for yourself.
>>
>> Yep.
>
> Why didn't you do one of those two things?

Because I really don't give a damn. I just recall that you mentioned it
when you were trying to get any discussion started by me on the subject of
the war and the killed US servicemen and women stopped.

>>>> And pretty much anything you claim is suspect.
>>>
>>> No. It's actually a statement about your own credibility and belief
>>> system. And your laziness -- it would have taken a competent searcher
>>> in the groups.google.com archive about a minute to verify who posted
>>> the RFD and CFV for this newsgroup.

Or someone who actually cared enough to verify it or not. I'm not that guy.
I just mentioned that you claimed to have "helped start" this newsgroup.
Whether you actually did or did not is not at all important to me.

> [Silence. No response.]

Liar. My response is right above.

>>>> I use the quotation marks in this case to denote irony or sarcasm.
>>>
>>> Both of which are completely inappropriate. I did indeed draft the
>>> charter and run the vote for the newsgroup.
>>
>> Congrats.
>
> Why the sarcasm?

What sarcasm? Are you "extrapolating" again? For someone who demands
exactness you sure do a lot of that...

> Why did you ever inject this into the conversation in the first place?

Can't you read?

> You started talking about integrity above. AFAICT, you have indeed
> made a statement about integrity -- perhaps not the one you intended.
>
>>>>>> Just ask him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you ask yourself about your personal integrity here, Shawn?
>>>
>>> I guess you just did. See above.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, that could be addressed. Are you going to apologize to
>>> the newsgroup for your wrong statements above?

>> That anything you say is suspect? Nope.
>
> No. It's actually a statement about *your* credibility in the
> newsgroup. And your laziness -- it would have taken a competent
> searcher in the groups.google.com archive about a minute to verify
> that I did indeed found this newsgroup.
>
> What exactly was the point of alleging that I wasn't telling the truth
> about that?

Please show the exact quote where I alleged that you were not telling the
truth.

As usual, you haven't the balls to live up to your own "rules."

> Why would someone who claims to "wage peace" choose to inject random
> off-topic insults into your presentation? Never mind that your
> innuendo was completely wrong!

Innuendo?

>>>>> You have failed to address the requests in
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.marching.drumcorps/msg/ffd2da348c1
>>>>> 83 4b 6?dmode=source
>>>>>
>>>>> (or http://tinyurl.com/dkgeu )
>>>>
>>>> If you say so.
>>>
>>> I have not seen it. If you think you have addressed that request,
>>> please say where you think you did that.
>>
>> When you address the requests to back up your statement about the "hundreds
>> of silent posts ..."
>
> One wonders why you are so obsessive about this one statement...

LOL.

> Shawn: I already made an offer to you -- repeatedly. Provide a
> document that shows the facts and reasoning that there was somehow a
> "big lie" about Iraq. Provide facts and reasoning about that "big
> lie". You don't even have to write it yourself -- just provide a
> reference to an article that you're willing to stand behind.

You mean like the following:

http://tinyurl.com/da4vj

> Provide that URL, and I'll go and tell you how many postings you've
> made in the "Silent Post" threads. Quid pro quo.

Your turn. But I want more than "how many postings I've made." I want you
to prove that I have made "hundreds of silent posts" or apologize for
getting it wrong.

> You back up your claims, and I'll back up mine. Quid pro quo.
>
>> And stop lying
>
> That's just another random hateful allegation.

Neither random nor hateful. Simply truth.

>> and follow the "rules" you insist that others follow.
>
> No. If you claim that our President had some big "lie" about the Iraq
> war, you will get called on that nonsense.

http://tinyurl.com/da4vj

>>>> You have failed to address quite a few requests yourself,
>>>> Phil.
>>>
>>> AFAIK, I have not. Just because you say something does not make it
>>> true.
>>
>> Then you don't KYAFAHITG.
>
> If that were actually true, you'd be able to provide the list.
>
> Go scroll back up to the top of this posting. Just because Shawn Hines
> alleges something does not make it true.
>
>>>> When you start answering questions
>>>
>>> What questions?
>
> [Silence. No response.]

LOL.

>>>> and following your own "rules"
>>>
>>> Again, the quotes are inappropriate. The rule is to operate in an
>>> intellectually honest way in the newsgroup.
>>
>> Bingo. That's the one.
>
> Why should anyone have to explicitly request that?

Because you have repeatedly shown yourself to be a major hypocrite, and a
blatant liar.

> Why are you unwilling to operate that way?

Like that one...

>>>> you might be able to expect that others will do so at your request.
>>>
>>> You've done it again! You claimed there were questions you asked that
>>> haven't been answered.
>>
>> I did? Let's see. That means that you are extrapolating from my statement
>> above, that I am saying that you have not answered questions in this
>> newsgroup. Now, as I recall, the central argument in your attack on my
>> statement that Bush lied us into war was that a direct quote was needed,
>
> You recall poorly. I spelled it out repeatedly; here's a copy from an
> earlier posting. If some "big lie" was told, you should be able to
> demonstrate:
>
> 1. What the statement was.
> 2. That the statement was false.
> 3. That officials knew the statement was false when they said it.
>
>> and no restatement or extrapolation would do.
>>
>> Are you ready to live up to your own standard, Phil?
>
> Yes.
>
> Are you now going to provide something that backs up your oft-repeated
> conjecture of some "big lie" in Iraq?

http://tinyurl.com/da4vj

> Please make sure you competently explain how you have absolute
> certainty that some of the WMD Stockpiles were not moved to another
> country.
>
>>> If you think you actually did address my request in
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.marching.drumcorps/msg/ffd2da348c183
>>> 4b 6?dmode=source (or http://tinyurl.com/dkgeu ) , please tell us where you
did that.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>
> [Silence.]
>
> Shawn started this posting by failing to account for a wrong
> allegation. He ends it by failing to account for a second set of wrong
> allegations.
>
Amazing. But hilarious. You apparently have no ability to tell the truth
....

> Why he thinks that any of this has to do with "waging peace" is a
> mystery.

Are you attempting to determine what I think? Phil? Or is that an "ad
hominem attack?"

It seems to be one of your favorites.

Wage Peace

> --phil
>


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