Re: Missing Episodes in Zimbabwe ?


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On 22 Feb, 13:42, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On 22 Feb, 07:35, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





> "The Doctor" <doc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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> > In article <QM6dnUXUA-WJ-z3UnZ2dnUVZ8uSdn...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > Agamemnon <agamem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> >>"US 71" <u...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >>http://www.hararetribune.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=articl...

> >>> LONG-lost Doctor Who episodes thought to be hidden away in Zimbabwe
> >>> may
> >>> never be recovered because despot Robert Mugabe hates the UK.

> >>> BBC investigators believe the troubled nation holds some of the > >>> early
> >>> episodes of the cult series which are still missing.

> >>> But tyrant President Mugabe has banned the Beeb from setting foot > >>> in
> >>> his

> >>And do you really think that calling him a tyrant and a despot is > >>going
> >>to
> >>make him more likely to change his mind?

> >>> country. And diplomatic relations are also extremely tense - > >>> meaning
> >>> researchers are unable to get into the nation's TV vaults.

> >>> The BBC destroyed early episodes of the sci-fi series in the late
> >>> Sixties
> >>> and Seventies to make room in its film library for new programmes.

> >>> But Zimbabwe is understood to have bought the first season of the > >>> show
> >>> when it was still a British colony known as Rhodesia. It starred
> >>> William
> >>> Hartnell and ran from 1963 to 1964. The Beeb suspects the historic
> >>> series,
> >>> together with later episodes not held anywhere else in the world, > >>> may
> >>> still be locked away.

> > Ag! Robert Mugabe is the ultimate feudalist!

> No, he's the ultimate anti-feudalist. He's taking from the rich white
> farmers who stole their land from the indigenous people and giving to > the
> poor blacks who they used as slaves.

<<<You don't have a fucking clue, do you Aggy? And you really do lap up
tabloid headlines.

You know when much of the land Mugabe's seizing was given to the
whites? In the 1980s. Who gave it to them? Robert Mugabe. The guy who>>>

I can see that you've been totally brainwashed. The land was given to the
whites by the British colonialists over 100 years before Mugabe when they
invaded the region.

Aggy, look at the operative qualifier in the above - "Much of the land
Mugabe's seizing..." Yes, Aggy, the colonial founders of Rhodesia took
land from the locals (or in many cases tricked them into giving it to
them). And then, when Mugabe came in, guess what happened? He gave
even more land to them.

No. That is a load of brainwashing and propaganda. Mugabe legally sold land to his white supporters. The land which Mugabe is seizing back is land which was stolen from the indigenous black inhabitants.


<<<was busy committing genocide against rival tribes at the time.>>>

Rival tribes? Yes, why don't you continue using racist terminology and
demene the people as uncivilised by calling them tribes.

Am I imagining things or did you really say this? Are you genuinely
this isolated and unaware of cultures other than your own and the way
they define themselves? Or come to that the entire edifice of

They don't go around calling themselves tribes. They refer to themselves as nations.

anthropology? Just when I think you can't get any more ignorant or any
thicker, you say something like this and remind me that you're Aggy.

You are a racist.


<<<Mugabe's purges against whites had nothing at all to do with race - it
was because the whites overwhelmingly supported the MDC, and were a
visible target.>>>

More brainwashed nonsense. First you talk about tribes and now it's the MDC
which you make into your factious enemy.

Aggy, Mugabe started purging the whites earlier this decade. The
tribal purges I mentioned took place shortly after he came to power.
The MDC wasn't even founded until 1999.

More racist terminology.


The MDC has nothing to do with it
other than standing for the British colonialist status que and allowing the
whites to keep their stolen land.

Hold on, I just remembered - you were an apologist for Saddam Hussein
as well, weren't you? You really are a vile character - what next, an
impassioned defence of Than Shwe?

LIAR!


<<<You know why whites in Zimbabwe had more land than blacks, other than>>>

Because they stole if off the blacks and made the blacks who lived on the
land originally into their slaves.

Aggy, slavery was banned in Britain and its colonies about a century

Irrelevant.

before Rhodesia was even colonised. Incidentally, the 'blacks' in
question, the Ndebele, first arrived in the Zimbabwe area in the 1830s

That's the story the colonialists like to tell.

- they *did* conquer and enslave the native Shona population of
Zimbabwe.

Oh and the Shona were white right?


<<<Mugabe selling it to them on the cheap? Because they're mostly
farmers. Lawyers and city professionals, the jobs largely reserved for
blacks, tend not to own as much land - in Britain, you'd find that>>>

Lawyers and city professionals? You are having a laugh. The jobs reserved
for Blacks under the white administration were domestic and farm slaves.

Um, Aggy? There hasn't been a white administration in Zimbabwe for 30
years. We're talking about the modern country; hence the use of the
name Zimbabwe rather than Rhodesia.

Irrelevant prpaganda. All these professions were taken up by whites and blacks did not have the education to practice them. Mugabe sought to change the balance by attempting to give the blacks an education, which they had been denied in the past.


It
was the Smith administration of Rhodesia that sold the black peoples land to
the white farmers. That's where the people rebelled and put Mugabe in power.

This is the land you were just claiming was stolen 100 years ago?

It was stolen during the entire period of colonial rule including under Smith.


<<<farmers own a disproportionately large amount of land as well. The>>>

Yes we know. It's was stolen by the Normans from the Saxons who impose a
system of Feudalism which made the original people who lived on the land
into their slaves.

You really don't understand this concept of time passing, do you?

You are a fool. The fact is that most of the land in this country was stolen by the aristocracy in the Norman conquests and they still have it.

Feudalism has been gone for centuries in Britain. And farmers still
have more land than lawyers, for very practical reasons which are
obvious to everyone but you.

Well of course they do. They're farmers. And who owns this land. It's still the aristocracy and most of the farmers a tenants.

Modern Zimbabwean whites are almost
exclusively farmers and managers of private game reserves - these take
up space.

I'll gotten land.


redistribution (especially when Zimbabwe lacks a workforce of trained
black farmers).

No it does not. It was the blacks who always worked on the land to begin with.


Now read this carefully, because it's the important thing: Mugabe did
nothing to change that. Nothing at all. Zimbabwe's wealth was based on
the whites' ability to produce enough food - and we've now seen just

All of Zimbabwe's wealth was in the hands of the whites and the black were denied a part in any of it. They are no worse off now than they were before Mugabe.

how quickly the country collapsed as soon as its white foundation was

Collapsed for the whites you mean. The blacks haven't seen any difference.

taken away. Mugabe had 30 years to improve the lot of the blacks, to

It takes time for change to take effect.


from human rights abuses in the country. And a country that emerged
from colonial rule with functioning government institutions and one of
the healthiest economies in Africa now lies in ruin through a

Healthiest for the whites.

combination of forcing out the skilled workforce at the base of the
national food chain, mismanaging the economy, and turning a blind eye
to epidemics of AIDS and malaria that render increasing numbers of
people unable to work.

What Mugabe needs to do is to impose a system of communism and the country will be sorted. And by communism I mean the scientific definition. Communal farms all working together once all the land has been redistributed to the people.


<<<whites were also the main source of employment for rural black people,>>>

Slavery you mean.

No, Aggy, I mean employment - as in, paying people to work for you, as

It was slavery. The blacks received no education and had no property of their own. They were practically slaves.

well as providing them with food, accommodation, all the things those
who survived Mugabe's attacks no longer have now their former
employers' lands have been seized.

They have the land, they have the buildings and they have the accommodation which they worked for and which was never in their hands before.


<<<means to live under a totalitarian regime, rather than using 'tyrant'
and 'despot' as meaningless insults to hurl at an unpopular leader in
a liberal democracy (hint: despots tend not to step aside when they
lose an election. Look at Mugabe).>>>

You don't have a clue do you. George Bush slaughtered over one million
innocent people for no reason whatsoever in Iraq,

The highest estimates being put forward these days are 500,000. Still

It's closer to one million.

a high number, but whatever one's feelings about George Bush, a
bungled military campaign is as far removed from systematic ethnic

There should never have been an military campaign to begin with. Iraq had no WMDs and was never involved in supporting terrorism.

cleansing, suppression of dissent and campaigns of torture as you can
get. You've never been good with understanding the importance of
context in any situation, have you, Aggy?

You've never had a clue of what you are talking about.


more than were victims
under Saddam Hussein. George Bush truly deserves the title of tyrant and
despot

Look up what the words mean, Aggy. George Bush was paranoid and
incompetent, and presided over a disastrously-planned and executed
campaign in Iraq as well as increased restrictions on personal privacy
and civil liberties in his home country, but that remained a home
country that was free to complain about him for all of those reasons

George Bush was a tyrant and a despot and he was never democratically elected in 2000 to begin with. We only slipped through because his brother was governor of Florida and the vote was rigged.


and should be put on trial and convicted of crimes against humanity.

Um, Aggy, you get what the idea of a trial is, right?

Bush is guilty so he will be convicted and sentenced.


Phil

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