Re: More Movie/Series 5 Speculation

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On 2008-09-13 00:40:43 +0100, "Agamemnon"
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Yes, because if it had been set in it's proper historical
context
and being performed at the Derngate or Royal Theatre I might
have
had something to enjoy.

The "historical context" of Hamlet is ambiguous at best.

No it isn't.

It is. If you were more familiar with the play, you'd know that. You
claim to remember Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, the King's hitmen
who
get sent to accompany Hamlet on a diplomatic mission to England. Did
you know that those were the names of the real life Danish
ambassador
and his assistant in England when the play was written? And they
weren't even dead yet!

Shakespeare loved including little in-jokes that blurred the line
between history and the present like that.

And there's that long, dull conversation about poetry between Hamlet
and
the First Player in Act II Scene 2. It only makes sense if you know
that the real-life player who first played the First Player was none
other than William Shakespeare himself. The scene is Hamlet actually
meeting Shakespeare and giving him the idea of writing a play based
on
his life story! Another example of the historical context being
ignored
for an in-joke.

<<<Add to that the fact that Hamlet wasn't actually a historical
figure
and the play was based on mediaeval Danish folklore of uncertain
provenance (but I think around the 13th Century), and when you set it
is pretty much optional anyway - as you say a lot of it is done in a
way contemporary with Shakespeare (a bit like having cannons in
MacBeth).>>>

Total and utter BOLLOCKS as usual.

The story of Hamlet is recorded by the Danish historian Saxo
Grammaticus
(1120-1220) in Gesta Danorum book 3 and 4.

<<<Yes. Told you it was 13th Century.>>>

NO YOU IMBECILE!

<<<I said the story was 13th Century - my phrase was "a folk tale of
uncertain provenance (I think 13th Century)" or something along those
lines. Reading up on the legend it does appear to have a basis in
older sagas, but when I wrote that I was referring to Saxo's work
(apparently completed in 1208 or later).>>>

As usual you were talking out of your arse.

Hamlet lived during the reign of Roric Slyngeband 485-436 BC.

<<<No he didn't. Why do you never learn anything? All this was explained
to you last time you tried to claim Shakespeare only wrote histories.>>>

YES HE DID YOU IGNORANT IMBECILE! It was Roric Slyngeband who appointed
his
father as king.

<<<No, Aggy, that was a character called Amleth, who originates in a lost
saga - he was not a real person. Nor was Hamlet, a later fictional
character who was only fairly loosely based on Saxo's version of the
saga.>>>

YOU ARE INSANE! Amleth was Hamlet you IMBECILE!

No he wasn't you STUPID IGNORANT! Shakespeare based the play on the
story in the Saxo, but his Hamlet was a very different character and
there's no suggestion Shakespeare intended him to be the same - like a
lot of his other plays, he just saw a story he liked and made a play
out of it. He was not trying to write historical documentaries.

He was a historical prince
and king of Jutland. Get used to it and take your conspiracy theories about
the mass forgery of European history and shove them up your arse where they
came from.

You're the loony who regards the portrayal of mythology as
nonhistorical fantasy as the product of some vast conspiracy extending
from the 18th Century - you don't need any kind of conspiracy theory
to realise that mythological stories were just stories, not histories.

Phil
.

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