Re: Proms

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On 29 Jul, 20:45, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Rock and blues aren't pop. Is Rebel Rouser a classical piece? The
Supernatural? Guitar Boogie?

Classical = not pop, not rock, not blues, not folk, not art music, not
jazz, not any derivatives of any of the earlier.

So acid is classical? Easy listening, such as Val Doonican, is
classical?

Acid what? Jazz, House, what? Easy listening is derived from folk. Folk
being specifically Irish pop music (a completely artificial genera
invented
in the 50's and 60's).

There are entire genres of bluegrass and American and Australian

Bluegrass is African American. Actually its origin is French just like Rap,
but it has nothing to do with Folk. Folk is Irish pop music concocted in the
50's and 60's

No it isn't.

which uses instruments that weren't invented until the 30's.

Which instruments are those?

country music that would disagree folk is confined to Irish music, pop
or otherwise.
The Wurzels might have a thing or two to say about it as

The Wurzels have nothing to do with Folk. Una Paloma Blanka/I am a Cider
Drinker is a Spannish song.

What's the Spanish version of I've Got A Brand New Combine Harvester?

Latin is classical? Metal? New Age? Rap? Hip Hop? Where does Big Band
music

Latin is a direct ancestor of pop.

"Ancestor"? Aggy, ancestors come first. Modern pop began with the
Beatles, who didn't have Latin influences

Modern pop began with The Beatles, Cliff Richard, Buddy Holly and Ritchie
Valens, to name but a few. You remember La Bamba don't you? Pop had plenty
of Latin influences.

No, Aggy, Latin is not "songs with Spanish words" - Las Palabras di
Amor, say, is not a Latin song. Nor is it "songs sung by Mexican-
Americans". What next, Teo Torriate is a Japanese song? La Bamba was
American rock 'n' roll, played in an American music style (and for
bonus points, by an American) - no doubt it was prominent in the
influences of the Latin pop that followed, hence its similar bouncy,
dancy feel, but it's not part of the genre of Latin music.

- what's called Latin today
(i.e. South American- and Mexican-inspired pop) postdates that.

Metal is a derivative of pop.

Rock; its earliest incarnation (good old fashioned 'heavy metal')
began with Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin (the same Zeppelin who started
off as a bluesy group called The New Yardbirds and who covered a
Memphis Minnie song).

What is the nonsense?

Rock began when *** Dale covered the 1930's Rembetika track Misirlou by
Jack Gregory (Yannis Halkias) in the style of Surf Music,

No it didn't. The Beach Boys covered it in the style of surf music.
*** Dale played it as a rock'n'roll guitar solo, a format that was
anything but novel by 1962. And yet it's not a song you find listed
among the influences or in the back catalogues of the early rock
musicians; it was covered by the Beach Boys, who as you noted were
among the pioneers of pop. not bands like the Rolling Stones. And even
if rock had begun at the point when *** Dale produced his version of
Misirlou, his version was done in an American music style, on an
American instrument (an electric guitar solo) - there's nothing Greek
about the popular version of the song (even the name has been
anglicised to Miserlou).

a derivative of
Rock and Roll. Forget about Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin. The originators of
Rock are the likes of The Beach Boys, The Shadows and *** Dale. Deep Purple
and Led Zeppelin originated Metal.

Read the above again and you'll see that's what I said: "it's earliest
incarnation (good old fashioned 'heavy metal') began with Deep Purple
and Led Zeppelin..." I mentioned rock as a correction to your claim
that metal derived from pop, I wasn't talking about the origin of
rock.

New Age is
Art Music. Hip Hop is a derivative of Blues. Big Band is Jazz.

fit in? Or Rave? How about Barbershop Quartet? Or Welsh male voice
choirs?

Rave and Trance on technical grounds should be classified as classical
music.

I think this is another one for the sig files, for those collecting.
So, what are these 'technical grounds', Aggy? From all you've said,
classical = not pop, jazz, rock, blues or folk. Does this mean rave
and trance are classical simply because they're none of these?

That and the fact that their composition is based on classical principles.

Which ones? We're still trying to pin down just what defines classical
music, remember. If it's being written between 1750 and 1820 as
someone suggested, there's remarkably little trance that would
qualify.

Barbershop Quartet might be classified as classical depending on what is
sung otherwise it's Art Music.

What is this Art Music you've invented? Barbershop is easy listening
music.

I didn't invent Art Music. I have already told you what it is. It's
traditional popular music combined with classical orchestrations. Barbershop
therefore when it is doing covers of The Beatles is Art Music. Most of the
music people wrongly classify as Folk is Art Music.

Ah, I see, it's a label for music everyone else "wrongly classifies"
as something else...

Songs from shows like Oliver?

Oliver is Pop and Traditional music (not to be confused with Folk which
is
specifically Irish pop music) mixed with classical, therefore Art Music.

Crooners?

Derivative of Big Band (ie. Jazz) and Italian popular music.

Curious; none of the Sinatra stuff I listen to has any Big Band
instrumentation at all.

Phil
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