Re: Proms


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>>> Rock and blues aren't pop. Is Rebel Rouser a classical piece? The
>>> Supernatural? Guitar Boogie?

>> Classical = not pop, not rock, not blues, not folk, not art music, not
>> jazz, not any derivatives of any of the earlier.

> So acid is classical? Easy listening, such as Val Doonican, is > classical?

Acid what? Jazz, House, what? Easy listening is derived from folk. Folk
being specifically Irish pop music (a completely artificial genera invented
in the 50's and 60's).

There are entire genres of bluegrass and American and Australian

Bluegrass is African American. Actually its origin is French just like Rap, but it has nothing to do with Folk. Folk is Irish pop music concocted in the 50's and 60's which uses instruments that weren't invented until the 30's.

country music that would disagree folk is confined to Irish music, pop
or otherwise.


The Wurzels might have a thing or two to say about it as

The Wurzels have nothing to do with Folk. Una Paloma Blanka/I am a Cider Drinker is a Spannish song.

well. And that's before we even get started on folk music from non-
Anglicised cultures.

No such thing exists. Folk is Irish pop music.

You do seem to have somewhat parochial horizons
in your understanding of musical labels.

You are the one who has no understanding of musical generas. You didn't even know the origin or Rap and Electro.


> Latin is classical? Metal? New Age? Rap? Hip Hop? Where does Big Band
> music

Latin is a direct ancestor of pop.

"Ancestor"? Aggy, ancestors come first. Modern pop began with the
Beatles, who didn't have Latin influences

Modern pop began with The Beatles, Cliff Richard, Buddy Holly and Ritchie Valens, to name but a few. You remember La Bamba don't you? Pop had plenty of Latin influences. The Beatles even covered Mikis Theodorakis so you can add Greek influences too, and also Indian film music.

- what's called Latin today
(i.e. South American- and Mexican-inspired pop) postdates that.

Metal is a derivative of pop.

Rock; its earliest incarnation (good old fashioned 'heavy metal')
began with Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin (the same Zeppelin who started
off as a bluesy group called The New Yardbirds and who covered a
Memphis Minnie song).

What is the nonsense?

Rock began when *** Dale covered the 1930's Rembetika track Misirlou by Jack Gregory (Yannis Halkias) in the style of Surf Music, a derivative of Rock and Roll. Forget about Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin. The originators of Rock are the likes of The Beach Boys, The Shadows and *** Dale. Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin originated Metal.


New Age is
Art Music. Hip Hop is a derivative of Blues. Big Band is Jazz.

> fit in? Or Rave? How about Barbershop Quartet? Or Welsh male voice > choirs?

Rave and Trance on technical grounds should be classified as classical
music.

I think this is another one for the sig files, for those collecting.
So, what are these 'technical grounds', Aggy? From all you've said,
classical = not pop, jazz, rock, blues or folk. Does this mean rave
and trance are classical simply because they're none of these?

That and the fact that their composition is based on classical principles. If Mozart was alive today he would have been making Rave and Trance records. That is what Classical music has naturally evolved into.


Barbershop Quartet might be classified as classical depending on what is
sung otherwise it's Art Music.

What is this Art Music you've invented? Barbershop is easy listening
music.

I didn't invent Art Music. I have already told you what it is. It's traditional popular music combined with classical orchestrations. Barbershop therefore when it is doing covers of The Beatles is Art Music. Most of the music people wrongly classify as Folk is Art Music.


> Songs from shows like Oliver?

Oliver is Pop and Traditional music (not to be confused with Folk which is
specifically Irish pop music) mixed with classical, therefore Art Music.

Crooners?

Derivative of Big Band (ie. Jazz) and Italian popular music.

Reggae?

Derivative of Blues and African Tsifteteli (from Ethiopia presumably).


Phil

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