Re: Big Finish Downloads

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Will Tingle wrote:

How does "pain in the ass" factor matter in the issue at hand? My point is that the maker of the CD gets money once either way, that's it.

Because "pain in the ass" factor provides an incentive to buy the CD (new or 2nd hand),

If I decide to buy used, there are no license fees that are paid to the creator of the disk. As such, downloading, borrowing, or buying used, all works out the same. Again, I don't see a difference morally or ethically.

remove the "pain in the ass" factor, and you reduce the chance of someone buying a legal copy -

I thought you agreed that a "used copy" is still legal. The creators of the disk still don't get any money that way. I see your point, I just don't think it's valid.

I did make it quite clear.

And I quite clearly say that I don't see it that way.

Name a (legal) way, which doesn't require more effort on your part than just buying the thing.

Ever hear of radio?

Yes, it's allegorous to television, whereas CDs are allegorous to DVDs - i.e. you don't get to keep it, just listen to it.

We were discussing ways you get to _keep_ the work.

But you didn't add that part until just now... At this point, I'm tempted to say "a radio and a tape recorder", but you will probably ramble on about how it's technically illegal even though they don't prosecute such activity UNLESS THE COPIES ARE SOLD FOR COMERCIAL GAIN.

"pain in the ass factor" is you difference, when you BUY a CD, you are buying the right to have a copy to KEEP, that you can call on whenever you like, without having to haul ass to a friends house to borrow it.

I believe you purchase more then just the right to have it in your home, I believe you also purchase the rights to the content. And if the legal owner of that content wants to share it on bit torrent, that right to legal ownership of the content is also shared. As such, when Baz downloads a copy of a Big Finish audio CD, he retains legal ownership of the content, since he got it from a source that at the time retained legal ownership of the content.

Let me put it another way. Lets say you own a copy of a CD of the Beatles. The owner of the copyright (the creator of the CD) decides that they want to keep the music private, and stop offering the CD for public sale. The contents of the CD are no longer being offered for public use, not even on the radio. Do you still have legal right to own the CD, even though the content is now private and not to be distributed?

I argue yes. For your argument to be valid, you must say no. If you say any answer other then no, you admit you have legal right to that content due to the purchase.

Ummm... I think you might have misread something I wrote. I have said, what I thought was consistantly, that if I liked it, I would purchase the original product. Hypothetically, if I downloaded it and thought it was garbage, I would delete it.

After you'd listened to _all_ of it no doubt...

DHU! That's the entire idea behind "try before you buy". How can I try it if I don't actually try it?

Would you write an audio drama and give it away?

No.

How would you expect to be paid for it - where would this money come from?

Is "try before you buy" really this difficult for you to understand? Where would I get the money from? The people who bought after they tried... That's sort of the point... Then you have the people who did buy, offer the product for download through shared ownership rights. The people who hear it may be inclined to purchase an original copy for better quality. Either way, I get some money, unless NO ONE buys it. But then again, if NO ONE buys it, it's not on bit torrent for download...

But I also said (look above) that I would purchase it if I liked what I heard. As such, I really didn't think your question applied... Now answer my question, would I purchase it if there was a strict "no refunds" policy? Would you?

Unfortunately, I have done, it's the risk you take - if you don't want to take the risk, do without.

Or try before you buy to protect your rights as a consumer of an offered good.

Actually, i think the writers should get paid one time,
for the content they write, and NOT get royalties. Their job is to write, that is what they are paid for, that is their paycheck. I feel the same way for the actors. I don't believe the techs get royalties as is, but I don't think they should get them either. Their pay check, and that's it.

Where does the (flat fee) pay check come from?

Again, try before you buy...
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