Re: Silver Nemesis reborn, only with cappier music

On 14 Jan, 17:11, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On 14 Jan, 02:29, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:07:58 -0000, Agamemnon
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I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
Agamemnon got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
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Agamemnon wrote:

First you have to prove it was actually a drama not a comedy (or any
possible variant thereof such as a tragicomedy). The extent text will see
to
that. A statement by the author of the original source to the effect of
"the
events and characters in this work are completely fictitious and any
similarity to any real events or the names of persons living or deceased
is
purely coincidental" should seal it.

<<<The Bible (which has been used as a source for many dramas). The
evidence is clearly presented in a newscast in an episode of Red Dwarf
II.>>>

The bible is not complete fiction. It's based on historical fact.

"Good evening. Here is the news on Friday, the 27th of Geldof.
Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be
a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon
dated in Bonn. If genuine it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and
is believed to read "To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed
within this book are fictitous and any resemblance to persons living
or dead is purely coincidental." The page has been universally
condemned by church leaders." - News Reader, Red Dwarf II, "Better
than Life"

Of course, now we'll have a strenuous argument about how no one can
PROVE the page came from the Bible, due to Aggy's combination of a
complete inability to tell reality from fiction and his total lack of
any sense of humour.

<<<"Intelligent design will be considered by default to be the true
explanation for human origins unless you can show an animal evolving
by random chance, and demonstate unequivocally that this is not the
invisible hand of a creator at work". Yes, you're being exactly as
intellectually dishonest as the creationists - setting up absurd
preconditions which, if they could be met, you claim would force you
to abandon your claims, knowing full well they can't be met - not
because your claims are correct, but because your 'test' is nonsense
that you can always find a way to wriggle through.>>>

Any reference to Charles Dickens

Charles Dickens??? The great evolutionary novelist famous for writing
about the status of poor people on the Galapagos Islands, would that
be?

or DNA will dispel Intelligent Design
immediately.

Any reference to Titus Andronicus dispels your nonsense immediately as
well; but just like the ID crowd, you persist in your blinkered
refusal to accept the evidence.

Dramas based on so-called myths or legends will be considered to

be historically based by default with or without disclaimers.

<<<And by default every cyclops, werewolf, vampire, frog-monster, hydra,
dragon, wizard, elf, goblin, faerie ... will be assumed to be a real
person. You still don't see that this is utter gibberish, do you?>>>

IDIOT!

Every cyclops, werewolf, vampire, frog-monster, hydra, dragon, wizard, elf,
goblin, fairy will be assumed to be based a real person unless proven
otherwise.

Not by anyone who would be considered sane. Ignore at the start any
assumptions about 'reality' behind these stories - the Illiad is all
about a hero who is beset by gods and monsters. The Tempest is a play
about a sorcerer on a magic island attended by spirits. This is our
starting point - what follows then is, is it more plausible to assume
by default that these were based on historical events and characters,
or that they were made up? You don't need to know that A Midsummer
Night's Dream is considered a comedy rather than a drama to make an
educated guess that it's a fantasy. "The Forbidden Planet" is based on
"The Tempest", which you assert is based on reality. Yet "The
Forbidden Planet" doesn't feature a character called Prospero, and it
does feature spaceships and robots - is it therefore based on reality
or not? And can't you see the inconsistency in claiming that one
version of the story is based on reality and the other isn't, when
they're essentially the same story with different costumes and sets?

For example we know full well that Count Dracula was based on
Vlad the Impaler, so if you want to prove that any Count Dracula film is
complete fiction you much prove beyond reasonable doubt that Vlad the
Impaler could not have done the things to the people he is said to have done
them to.

What, like biting their necks with his fangs and turning them into
undead brides? Done.

Lets give you an example to try from Comedy shall we. Prove that
Aristophanes Clouds was complete fiction, despite the fact that Socrates was
the main character in it. That should be easy. So come on and lets see it
you can.

How about an example from "Drama" - Gladiator. Completely fictional
story with a fictional protagonist which happened to be inspired by
the real-life exploits of a character called Spartacus and in which
the emperors were historical figures (which, incidentally, makes two
counts on which it beats Titus Andronicus as a drama "based on
historical events" - and yet, it was not, in fact, based on historical
events).

Phil
.

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