Re: Hamlet - Just Booked My Tickets

On 2007-10-25 00:49:47 +0100, "Agamemnon" <agamemnon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:


"Andrew" <thecroft@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:2007102500403150073-thecroft@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On 2007-10-24 23:52:33 +0100, "Agamemnon" <agamemnon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:


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On 2007-10-24 23:21:37 +0100, "Agamemnon" <agamemnon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:


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Andrew <thecroft@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 2007-10-24 12:16:50 +0100, "Agamemnon"
<agamemnon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:

"Diane L." <dianenews@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I hate to interupt this intellectual conversation, but I
think it's worth pointing out that the play the Andrew is
going to see will not, in fact, be in the Globe. It will be in the
Courtyard Theatre in Stratford-upon-Avon. Which has seats.

Whereas the fun in that. You might as well read the play
yourself instead of going to see it, if it's not being
staged authentically.

What do you mean "authentically"? Perhaps with an all-male
cast? Or speaking in Midlands accents from the 16th Century?

Don't forget that Aggie believes that the English hasn't changed at all since Shakespeare's day, and that _all_ modern day working-class North England accents do sound totally identical to Midlands accents from the 16th Century.

IDIOT! North England is not the Midlands. If it were it would not have been called North England.

If you read Shakespeare in the original spelling it is perfectly obvious that the working class

Which "working class" Aggie? The "working class" of the 21st Century is not at all the same as the generally agricultural worker group of the 16th Century.

Where did you get the idea I was talking about agricultural workers. Shakespeare lived in London a big city.

Shakespeare was born, grew up, and lived most of his days in Stratford. Stratford isn't very big now and was little more than a village is Shakespeare's time. He was provincial in every sense of the word. Although he himself came from a tradesman's background (his father was a glove-maker) that would be regarded as "well to do" in that environment. Genuinely "working class" people were farm workers. When he was writing "working class" parts those are the people he would have had in mind.

His father was not an agricultural worker but some sort of tradesman as far as I remember. We are therefore talking about the accents of city and town dwellers.


You're ignoring the accent shift of the 18th Century that (in most parts of England) lengthened vowels, whatever 'class' you belonged to.

No I am not. Listen to anyone from Jamaica and there all speak with a 18th century accent which sounds exactly like 18th century spelling.

But spelling doesn't necessarily describe sound. Spelling is conventional - even locally. Sound is not. When I (as a Scot who grew up in England) write "cat" I mean it to have a short 'a' sound. When my Essex-originating friend writes "cat" she means it to have the same sound. But we pronounce it very differently. Spelling doesn't do it.

It does in Greek where every letter of the alphabet is pronounced in EXACTLY the same way by EVERYONE no matter where they live or what period in history they come from. Whereas in Greece, since ancient times every local variation of the pronunciation of a word was shown by the spelling, hence the Dorian, Ionic, Attic, Aeolic and Arcado-Cypriot and Cretan dialects, in modern English regional accents are not reflected in the spellings hence they regional dialects are not represented in the written language as they have always been in Greek.

A Scot would pronounce Cat as "K-aa-t" whereas and Americans would pronounced it as "Ket"

You can only work out things like pronunciation by looking for the things that writers expect to sound the same.


You're also ignoring the letter 's' in "descent".

Bill Gates should invent a spellchecker that uses grammatical context to suggest corrections.

Bill Gates should have looked at Apple and gone into groceries. That doesn't mean you shouldn't read what you tyep.

Look whose talking about reading what you "tyep!"

Have you considered developing a sense of humour? It can be useful sometimes.

.

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