Re: Enormous mega plot hole in most of Series 2

Andrew wrote:
On 2006-07-11 00:49:52 +0100, "Agamemnon"
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Somones already mentioned something very similar but I can't find
the thread to elaborate on it so I'll start a new one instead.

If Rose was not born in alt.earth then how could the Doctor have
met her and taken her to 1879 to meet Queen Victoria so that she
could create alt.torchwood ?

If the alt.doctor met alt.queen-victoria by himself then it would
not have been in the form of TenDoc since there would have been no
Bad Wolf Rose to save and force EcclesDoc to regenerate, and no
reason to go to see Ian Dury in concert, and the events would not
have been set in motion for Canary Warf Tower to be built nor
would alt.london look anything like it does today and alt.Pete and
alt.Jackie would never even have been born.

The whole parallel universe scenario is absolute bollocks and the
only way to resolve this mega continuity error is to do a Bobby
coming out to the shower and write out the entire RTD era
completely.


There is no alt doctor, the alt torchwood was subtly different as a
result and the doctor was not mentioned in their charter.

If there was no Doctor then alt.universe would not resemble out own
by even one iota. Who was it that saved if from all those alien
invasions ?

No Rose no Torchwood. Mega plot hole.

Not at all. As the Doctor said "every time we make a choice the
universe divides". If the choice that divided our earth from alt.earth
took place after TAC then the events of TAC would be common to both
universes. In fact, given the similarity of the two dimensions, the
bifurcation probably took place fairly recently - maybe when the
events
of "Father's Day" took place.



The thing that Agammemnon, in his desperation, is overlooking, is that the
same state can result from different histories. For instance, if we consider
a state in which I am in the Arndale Center on saturday at 3pm, that can
result from multiple histories- maybe I went there by bus, or maybe I walked
there, or maybe I drove there. Each of these different histories may result
in the same event.

Now that's a trivial example, and the retort would be "but the chances are
so minute that two different histories could end up the same, it couldn't
happen..."

But aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, the glorious thing about multiple universe scenarios
is, it's impossible for us to comprehend just how big the numbers are; just
how many different universes there are. We don't have the words for it.
Googolplexes to the power of googolplexes to the power of googolplexes. That
really does make a difference.

If there is a *possible* history which can end up in the same place as we
are, or similar, then there's a universe out there that has that history.
Simple as that.

Consider- let us say that every possible instantaneous configuration of the
universe is represented by an actual Universe out tehre somewhere. Not an
unreasonable assumption. Now the interesting thing here (as pointed out by
Julian Barbour's timeless universe hypothesis) is that histories are
actually contained in the Now. Simply put- you only know what happened in
the past because there are records of that history- memories for instance;
and a memory is just a configuration of the particles in your brain. Or a
written history- again, just a configuration of particles which make a ***
of paper with writing on it. So, if we allow the possibility that every
configuration of particles is represented, then so is every *possible*
history- not just probable ones, not just likely ones, not just ones that
seem like they might happen- *every* history.

So configurations exist which look similar, or even the same, but for having
different histories. One where I drove into town, and one where I took the
bus.

Why would the Doc fall into such a similar universe out of the
Googolplex^Googolplex^Googolplex... of possibilities? That's implausibly
unlikely, isn't it? Wellll.... again, if you consider the "Multiverse" as a
configuration space, you realise that the similar configurations are closer
to one another than the dissimilar ones... but that gets quite complicated
quite quickly.

And ***, it is just a kids sci-fi show, after all.

Ian





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