Re: Humour: Texan Quotes

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Leah Flores wrote:
I don't usually get involved in politics, but the proposals being considered
on immigration has me paying more attention. IMO, our politicians are
giving away our country, not just to Mexico, but the rest of the world as
well. I heard the person who wrote the article below being interviewed on
a radio show, checked the website and found this:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm. IMO, if his
calculations are even close to being accurate, we should all be concerned.

Leah Flores

Hi Leah -- I heard a speech by the President, recorded in 2000, in
which he gave 100% indications that he was for open borders. It was
mighty scary to hear.

From what I gather from the media, there are already laws to penalize
employers who hire illegal immigrants and to control
immigration......but they are not enforced. These greedy companies are
very much to blame.

Absolutely, but there's a simple reason they give that bails 'em out every
time: The law says they must have knowingly hired the undocumented worker.
At Sequoia, I had about 150 Latin American employees...waiters,
housekeepers, etc. We checked everyone's Social Security cards and "Green
cards" before hiring them. We did as much reasonable due diligence as the
law allows to avoid breaking the law. I'm guessing that about 25 times
each year we'd receive notice from the Feds that an SS number did not
match the name on the card. If the employee wasn't already gone by the
time we received the notice, they were within minutes of its receipt. The
point is, though, that with forged documents, it's extremely easy to
unknowingly hire these people.

As to the greedy companies that intentionally employ "illegals," I say
hang 'em high.

It was mentioned in this thread that consumers would complain about the
higher prices on goods if illegal immigrants were not used. I, for one,
would not complain......

Yes, you would too complain when lettuce cost you $5 a head instead of
$1.49, etc. We all would. The reality is, though, that US workers won't
pick lettuce for the minimum wage, so, until technology replaces the vegie
picker, we have two choices. We can continue to hire migrant workers, or
we can import our produce. Personally, I enjoy fresh fruit and vegetables
much more than the stuff they pick before it ripens and put on
refrigerated ships. It not only tastes lousy, but it costs more than
locally produced product.

however, I complain about the costs for their
medical care

Yes, I've heard this argument before, but I think that on examination,
it's shallow. It's estimated that there are 12 million illegal aliens
already in the USA. That's 4% of the total population. Most of them don't
seek public medical assistance out of fear of being caught, so what is the
overall impact of their costs for medical care? I wonder what is the
percentage of the increased taxpayer cost compared to the cost of say a
bridge that goes nowhere and similar unnecessary pork barrel spending that
we all seem to shrug off. No, ma'am, the cost to provide medical care for
the illegal alien population is miniscule.

and their anchor babies born here,

I won't argue, except to say...collateral damage. Want to start a thread
of meaningful collateral damage?

and the cost to educate these babies.

I've heard this argument. It's probably the most shortsighted argument of
all of these fallacious arguments.

The people are already here. If they've led a decent productive life,
they're going to remain. The future of the country is in the successful
education of today's children. Are you aware that current 32% of our high
school students do not graduate? They drop out. One in three of the future
adult population is a high school dropout! I think it is essential that we
educate each and every child we have an opportunity to teach.

I understand there is a high percentage of illegal
immigrants in our prisons......that costs us, too. I also understand
there are Mexican gangs here (illegally) -- that costs us, too --

You're correct on both points. What percentage of these people do you
think started off as 'good' kids, but because they couldn't go to school,
they turned to the streets?

recently, there was a group who went to the White House with papers
with over 1,000 signatures of people whose loved ones were killed by
illegal immigrants.

(I understand they were preceded by 100,000 Iraqis.) :-(

Do we know anything else about the 1,000? How many more than 1,000? In
2004, their were about 16,500 murders. If there were 1,000 murders by
illegal aliens, that's 6% of the total. That's 50% higher than the
percentage of illegals in the total population! Not acceptable. We not
only need to rid ourselves of these vermin, but we also have to do what we
can to prevent it from happening with the current crop of immigrant kids.
I propose that we educate them and turn them into good citizens.

Mexico's creep of a president has a good deal -- he practically shows
his poor, needy and sick people and criminals the pathway to our
country.

He must have a friend in the US gumment to help him.

I don't want to send the 12 million illegals back, and I don't want to
break up families or take away their children. I do want, however, to
have it all stop now.

We're on the same page to the extent that I want the illegal immigration
to immediately stop. I do, however, favor a limited guest worker program
for new immigrants, and a path to citizenship for "good" current
residents.

I do want to be sure disease is not brought into
our country by imigrants. There is an upward statistic of Tuberculosis
in this country already..

Is there a causal relationship with our southern neighbors?

The operative word IMO is "illegal". Our families before us came in the
legal way -- needing sponsors in this country before entry and being
checked for disease.

Which is what the current proposal will do.

What really did me in was the blatant demands at the immigrant marches
from a country in which they were illegal and the Mexican flag being
waved......

Emotions will be emotions.

not to mention the loose translation of our national anthem.

You must be referring to when George Bush sang it in Spanish. I thought he
did a fine job. :-)

Having former gang member Mayor of Los Angeles at the rallies

Isn't it great to not only have a self-transformed gang member, but
someone with keen insight into the problems facing a large population of
Los Angeles. (I voted for Hahn.)

encouraging them did not help either.

To my knowledge, he did not encourage them to do anything wrong or
offensive. He encouraged them to protest. Heck, I gave my housekeeper and
gardener the day off so they could protest. :-)

Methinks the guest worker program is an amnesty -- I don't think guest
worker programs have worked anywhere.

Compared to being deported it sure smells like amnesty. But, though the
people may have been motivated by hunger and the American dream to enter
the USA illegally, the vast majority have contributed positively to
society. They should be allowed to fully integrate into our society...we
need good people.

(I really wanted to insert the joke that good help is hard to find,
especially at discount prices, but I won't.)

We are the most generous and kind country in the world......we give and
give and give. We deserve better than what is going on in Congress and
the Administration. They are not listening.

I'm relieved that you've joined the 71%. :-)

We need more troops at the
borders -- in the long run the cost will be less. And.......we need to
get the greedy who hire them.

Yes, and we need to do a lot of things in addition.
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)
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