Re: OT: Political

On 6 Jan 2006 13:15:01 -0800, davkopp@xxxxxxx wrote:

>
>Mike Corbett wrote:
>> On 6 Jan 2006 12:08:45 -0800, davkopp@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Mike Corbett wrote:
>> >> On 5 Jan 2006 16:09:40 -0800, davkopp@xxxxxxx wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Ed Jay wrote:
>> >> >> On 1/4/06, King George quietly announced seventeen recess appointments,
>> >> >> many of whom would have faced serious confirmation problems. Three
>> >> >> appointments to the Federal Election Commission never even had nomination
>> >> >> hearings.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Amongst them -- Hans von Spakovsky, who was in large part responsible for
>> >> >> the purge of mostly Democratic, mostly African American and mostly
>> >> >> legitimate people from the Florida voting lists in 2000 and Robert
>> >> >> Lenhard, who is married to the Viveca Novak, the woman now providing the
>> >> >> substantive part of Karl Rove's defense in the Plame matter.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The notion that we live in some sort of a democracy with three branches of
>> >> >> government and any system of checks and balances is getting to be quite
>> >> >> farcical.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Ed Jay (remove M to respond by email)
>> >> >
>> >> >Don't forget Peter N. Kirsanow, recess appointment to the National
>> >> >Labor Relations Board. Kirsanow, a conservative African-American
>> >> >appointed to a quasi-judicial position overseeing the nation's labor
>> >> >laws, is on record as believing that the Davis-Bacon Act requiring the
>> >> >payment of prevailing wages on public works projects is a "Jim Crow"
>> >> >law:
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1:28349975/FEDERAL+GOVERNMENTS+JIM+CROW+LABOR+POLICY.html
>> >> >
>> >> >He also said this in a 2002 speech to the Heritage Foundation:
>> >> >
>> >> >"Liberty is fundamentally a right of self-determination. But a people
>> >> >dependent upon government are vassals of the state, who have forfeited
>> >> >control over their lives to government.
>> >> >
>> >> >"For example, there are nearly 100 major federal government programs
>> >> >that foster dependency: TANF, Section 8, SSI, SSD, Medicare, Medicaid,
>> >> >LEAP, Head Start, JTPA, School Lunch, Section 533, School Breakfast,
>> >> >Food Stamps, Supplemental Food Program, to name just a few.
>> >> >
>> >> >"Those who get government housing forfeit their right to choose where,
>> >> >how, and with whom they live. Those who get food stamps forfeit choices
>> >> >on where and for what to shop. Those who depend on government education
>> >> >give up the ability to choose how their kids are taught. Dependency is
>> >> >degrading, demeaning, and dehumanizing. It is not an exaggeration to
>> >> >say that it is modern serfdom and it does violence to the notion of an
>> >> >America with liberty and justice for all."
>> >> >
>> >> >So now we have a man who believes Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,
>> >> >Food Stamps, and Public Education are "degrading, demeaning and
>> >> >dehumanizing" overseeing our labor laws. The foxes are in the hen
>> >> >house for sure.
>> >> >
>> >> >David Koppelman
>> >>
>> >> Your evaluation is incorrect and agenda serving, David. You are an
>> >> attorney who understands the nuances of the English language. So, you
>> >> know that the man sad "dependency" was degrading, demeaning and
>> >> dehumanizing. Many people who benefit from Social Security, Medicare,
>> >> and Public Education are not dependant on those programs. Those who
>> >> receive medicare and Medicaid ARE dependant but Mr. Kirsonow does not
>> >> specifically state (in your selected quotes) that mere use of such
>> >> programs constitutes degradation etc.
>> >>
>> >> Dependency IS degrading, demeaning and dehumanizing and a society
>> >> built on dependency instead of contribution, freedom and self
>> >> sufficiency, results in modern serfdom.
>> >>
>> >> Just how do you disagree with what was actually said, David?
>> >>
>> >> Mike Corbett
>> >
>> >Mike,
>> >
>> >Your interpretation deprives Kirsanow's statement of its obvious
>> >intent. Had he not intended to criticize those specific programs in
>> >the manner I describe, he would not have first named them as fostering
>> >"dependency" and immediately therafter expressed his opinion of
>> >"depencency".
>>
>> Good, then I see we agree that the opinion and labels relate to
>> dependency, not programs. The dependency that creates the result
>> described by the labels does. Not all dependency does. I don't think
>> there's any reason to assume anybody with even my educational
>> background is such a total idiot they would apply his comments
>> universally. The only reason I can think of why an educated person
>> would do so is that it was convenient to their agenda. Even those
>> people would be well advised to assume their readers have a modicum of
>> intelligence.
>>
>> Mike Corbett
>
>No, we don't agree, since it is clear to me that the labels affixed by
>Kirsanow apply to his definition of dependency, and it also seems
>self-evident to me that Kirsanow intends to apply that definition to
>the cited programs.
>
>As to your ad hominem attacks, I make no assumptions about the
>intelligence of yourself or any other reader. I provided the entire
>quote and my interpretation. The reader can agree or disagree with
>me, as they choose.

The reader disagrees. Your interpretation is wrong and agenda
serving, in my opinion. It is a huge leap to apply the labels as you
have done and you've given no reason for doing so except "it's clear
to you. Well, it's damn clear to me your wrong.

Mike Corbett

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