Re: OT but damn they love to bomb

President Bush:
>>"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to
>>explain to us what the exit strategy is."

Mike:
>Not this one. Victory precedes exit strategy. False premise.

Earl:
>>>Mike this one is very telling! This false premise belongs to Bush so
>>>clearly you and Bush disagree. So who is right you or the President? If
>>>you are right than we were correct to enter Iraq without an exit
>>>strategy like we did, if the President is correct than he acted against
>>>is own premise. Thus he is either a liar or he is a hypocrite. Which is
>>>it?
>>
Mike:
>>An imprecise communicator. Where do you get from what I wrote that I
>>give a damn whether or not President Bush and I agree? Mikc Corbet
>>
Earl didn't ask whether or not you give a damn about whether or not you
and Bush agree.
>
Earl:
>>Bush's premise is very
>>precise and clear, "victory means exit strategy, and it's important for
>>the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." No this not
>>him being imprecise this him being either a hypocrite or a liar.
>>Actually that's not fair he could also be a fool.
>
Mike:
>Or in imprecise communicator who may have meant something somewhat
>different from the literal translation of his actual words. It
>happens to me and you. Why not him?
>
You're correct, especially as Bush's communications are imprecise so
often. But, what about Karen Hughes, a professional communicator,
officially speaking on behalf of presidential candidate Bush?

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a
clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."

Icono:
>>I supported the soldiers before they went by urging that they not be
>>sent and I support them now by urging that they return to their homes
>
Mike:
>Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing I most often hear. The
>actual question begs a more intellectually honest answer. How does
>one provide the kind of support, in action word and thought to the
>soldiers they would provide if they DID support the President and
>mission?
>
>What you describe is the opposite of "support" in that light. Is it
>not? The kind of "support" you describe sends the message to the
>soldier that you do not support the idea of him doing his duty, that
>you do not validate his service to his country, that you do not want
>him/her out there doing what they are dedicating their lives to do.
>
>It's a nice SOUNDING idea but I've yet to see how it works in a way
>that smells and tastes like support to an actual soldier, sailor,
>airman or marine. I think that's the test. Do you disagree?
>
In the context of supporting the serviceman's pledge to do their duty, you
make an interesting point. In this regard, while proactively condemning
the president's actions and demanding that the troops be brought home, one
could support the troops by assuring they received proper equipment,
medical care, veteran's benefits, books, letters, magazines, cookies, etc.

I think it's a relatively simple task to send the message to the troops
that we care about them and their welfare, but we hate what they are being
forced to do.

Imagine being the spouse of a German soldier during WW2 and passionately
hating what your fuehrer was doing. What would you do to support your
spouse?

How demoralizing do you think it is to the troops when their leaders tell
them to fight in inadequate numbers, with inadequate equipment, and the
knowledge that when they finally do return home, their veteran's benefits
have been reduced to a level of inadequacy?

Ed Jay (remove M to respond)
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