Re: Doonesbury vs. Hollywood this week (vs. Limbaugh)

On Oct 22, 1:27 am, Antonio E. Gonzalez <AntEGM...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:41:57 -0700 (PDT), Alexander Mitchell



<LNER4...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

What part would that be? Is it going backwards to admit that your
culture doesn't know everything? That the perceptions and
understandings of others have value? That those who do not believe
everything you do are not necessarily wrong?

Well, you see, MY problem--and I'm sure I have a lot of allies in
this--is that I don't believe I should respect the values of those who
specifically believe that I should be killed for my beliefs or lack
thereof.  Or, for that matter, that their belief system makes it OK to
oppress women, or that there should be an official state religion to
which all within the borders are required to subscribe......   Sorry,
but I cannot abide by "perceptions and understandings" that impinge
upon the basic human right to be free--said thoughts do NOT have
value.

Are you willing, and assertive enough, to demand that our "opponents"
must abide by the same sense of respect for others--i.e., ourselves--
that you demand of us with those questions above?  If so, how do you
intend to enforce said respect, if at all?  Yet another UN resolution?

  Amazing the rant someone can squeeze out of "Islamic Culture," and
nothing else!  The words "fundamentalist," or "radical" were not
there, yet this is what came out; thats quite the hole to dig!

I said nothing of the sort.

Let's rephrase it another way, and then see if you actually answer the
question:

I believe that I have a right to retain my material goods, possessions
and money and do with them as I see fit (bearing in mind basic laws,
toxic waste disposal, disturbing the peace, etc.). Others in this
city believe that they have a right to take my possessions or money
because they have a gun and aren't afraid to kill me, or that because
it's behind a piece of glass they can break they can help themselves
to it.

Do you believe the latter "perceptions and understandings" have value?

I believe that if I am engaged in commercial enterprise and
competition opens across the street from me, that I have several
alternatives: I can offer better products/services, I can move
somewhere else where there is an unfilled need for what I sell, or I
can adjust my prices to attract more buyers. In this city, many
people believe the answer to such competition is to kill the
competitor and/or his supplier/agents with gunfire.

Are you telling me that these latter people are "not necessarily
wrong"? ARE you?

I grew up in a culture that valued learning and education, where one
works hard to reap financial reward and earn a good living for oneself
and family, and one should give respect to earn it. Around this city,
I can point to an apparent mindset and culture--not widespread, but
definitely there--that apparently insults young people for seeking
education, where "the government" does everything (including paying
for your food and children), and respect is demanded first and
foremost absent any earning of it.

My "culture" may not "know everything," but it's a damned sight better
for society as a whole than the other "culture" I just described. Are
you really asking me to respect that latter culture?

Now answer those three questions. And before you just reflexively
call me a "KKK member" or "racist" or whatever, please note, very
specifically, what I left out of the above examples completely,
because it was completely irrelevant to the matter at hand--just as I
said nothing whatsoever about Islamic culture in my earlier examples.
.

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