Re: Mallard, Tuesday October 9th

On Oct 16, 8:30 am, Rob Wynne <d...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Detox <detox...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The historical results of "practicing" socialism are also the logical
results of the "theory"; increased poverty, suppression of human
rights, reduced opportunities for individual solutions, increased
dependence on government action for survival, etc.

Substitute "the church" for "goverment", and you've pretty accurately
described Medieval Catholicism.

Of course, Jesus was a socialist.

Geez...you're supposed to spread the chum with a ladle...not the whole
doggone bucket!!!


Of course, all your better socialist propaganda talks about being "a
socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth
are subject to control by the community for the purposes of increasing
social and economic equality and cooperation." But that's just
advertising hype.

So, what you're saying is that the real problem with a socialist
government is that none of them have ever actually *tried* socialism?

Oh, no. Not at all.

They try it all right. Typically because they believe the marketing
about socialism being "better" or "new and improved" or "powered by
zap" or some such thing.

But the results are predictable and look nothing like those promised
in the marketing brochures.


Oppressive governments...in which communism and socialism are
subsets...have many different objectives, but very little real
dissimilarity in results.

The problem is that socialism is not the opposing diametric to freedom,
or democracy, or liberty. It's the opposing diametric to capitalism.

I disagree.

Capitalism is the economic subset/expression of liberty. It is the
free exchange of goods and services at mutually agreeable rates of
exchange. I'll add that it is what happens when government gets out
of the way, thus capitalism is a natural phenomenon compared with the
contrived socialist system.

Socialism vs. capitalism is a false dichotomy created by the
socialists and communists.

Failing to defend capitalism is failing to defend the full set of
actions and inactions that describe freedom, democracy, and liberty.

I'll add that there is more than enough historical precedent for
government regulation of economic activities to prevent fraud and
other forms of theft; either of the investor or customer variety. And
of course there are the regulatory difficulties that arise when
collective rights collide with individual rights*. However, there is
a difference between that level of regulation and socialist attempts
to manage the economy.

*I'd also like to add that many European countries do a far better job
of preserving individual rights that are encroached by corporate/
collective rights than we do here in the States.

--
Regards,
Dann Todd
Atlantis, The Rockies, USA

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