Re: Captain America's objection to the SRA makes no sense

The problem is less about registration and more about the consequences
of not-registering. I mean, in this country if you don't sign up with
selective service at 18 you can go to jail. Then again, you're not
COMPELLED to fight in a way, unless you've signed up or there is a
legitimate need for a draft. (and to be honest with the reserves now if
we were ever in dire enough circumstances to need a draft again then
we're pretty much done for.)

The fact that Luke Cage was going to go to JAIL if he hadn't registered
was insane, and what makes the law wrong. Why can't someone born with a
superpower use that power to their own good and personal benefit. I can
see a law that says you can't engage in law enforcement without a
liscence, or use your powers for undue advantage in contract
negotiations etc. but if I'm using my superpowers to do home repairs on
my house, I don't see how the government would have a right to arrest
me or force me into training as a Shield agent.



Steven R. Stahl wrote:
Chris Pinard wrote:
David Johnston <rgorman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 9 Aug 2006 21:43:56 -0700, "Steve Kovach" <sjkovach@xxxxxxxxx>
because Agent Hill has been a total bitch. He stands for an ideal that
super-powered people should fight crime out of a desire to protect
innocent people, not because the government says so.
Well apparently he does for this storyline. But frankly I'd rather he
stood for patriotism.

I'm inclined to say that his current stance *is* the more patriotic one.
America was founded on the principles of freedom in explicit defiance of
a heavy-handed, dictatorial government, which fits Cap's current
predicament pretty well.

If one takes the idea that "Civil War" is a political allegory (as
Millar has said; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_War_(comics) )
seriously, then Marvel is attempting to turn Cap into a poster man for
right-wing radicals.

MS. MARVEL #6 drives home the point that "Civil War" is about
standard superhero fights, not politics. As plots go, this issue is
easily Reed's best, but that's not saying much. He has characters
talk and fight (spoiler plot summary below)

Heaven knows, Marvel wouldn't want to deprive its fans of fights, but
the characters in this issue don't even consider going the legal
route. An imprisoned noncomplying hero asks for a lawyer, prior to
being interrogated, but doesn't get one.

Fighting perceived threats as the first option is, of course, what
militia groups and related groups (anti-abortion radicals, for example)
do. Tax protestors historically tried to make their cases in court, but
courts routinely rejected such arguments as "The federal income tax
is illegal." Posse Comitatus units tried (try) to set up an alternate
legal system (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Posse_Comitatus ),
but are always unsuccessful.

Having the resisting heroes turn to fighting to oppose the SHRA makes
claims to political relevance utterly ridiculous. Fighting is what
radicals do. Like it or not, in the real world, people who oppose laws
find interest groups sharing their goals, and have them file lawsuits
to take down the offending legislation. If they don't succeed in the
legal arena, they work to change laws, at the state or federal level,
or both. Only radical wingnuts resort to violence-but that's what
the anti-SHRA heroes are doing.

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Ms. Marvel takes out the Prowler, a non-complying do-gooder. Pressured
by a S.H.I.E.L.D. interrogator (and illegally denied access to a
lawyer), the Prowler identifies Arachne (nee Spider-Woman II) as a
collaborator. The Shroud turns out to be a noncomplier; he and Arachne,
while at the Shroud's penthouse, are taken on by S.H.I.E.L.D. agents.
Ms. Marvel and Womder Man foil a holdup and prepare to take on Arana.

SRS

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