Re: FINAL CRISIS #1: A Very Short Review

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:06:59 -0600, Bruce Grubb <bgrubb@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

In article <52pp44dnepigdu653mfgmk7tinvnlh2ibj@xxxxxxx>,
grinningdemon <grinningdemon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 17:37:38 -0700 (PDT), argento32
<aaronpynn32@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Jun 8, 9:09 pm, "Scott" <moonhear...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
They wouldn't have to keep doing the reboots if writers didn't keep letting
things from the old multiverse seep back in for nostalgia's sake.

"argento32" <aaronpyn...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

news:f6141633-3c30-4c28-bd22-972c5518abd4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

To me COIE was the start of a downward spiral. Shoving everything in
one universe was a huge mistake. If it was such a great idea we
wouldn't have to keep having these damn reboots every few years. I
actually enjoyed the JSA/JLA cross-overs. I'd love to see it revert
back to the way it was originally.

Each crisis dealing with this keeps getting worse. And so far it looks
like Final Crisis is the worse.

Thats because they realize what a big mistake the one universe thing
was...

If that were true they would have undone it long before now...it's not
like they're stuck...and it would hardly be the first major event from
DC or Marvel that got reversed or ignored...I've read a lot of
pre-crisis DC and the stories that I thought were good were all ones
that had nothing to do with the multiverse...like the O'Neill/Adams
Batman and GL/GA stories...I like the idea of a traditional JSA/JLA
team-up but the dimension-hopping aspect always took me right out of
the story...I don't think they ever should have used the multiverse
approach at all but, if they had to, they could have at least put a
little effort into planning it so it wouldn't get so ridiculously
sloppy.

I think that no one at DC wanted to admit the one universe thing was a
mistake so DC tried to salvage it with Zero-Hour and then tried to have
more than one universe without having more than one universe with Hypertime.

"To Kill a Legend" was perhaps one of the best multiverse stories that also
looked at the origin of the Batman. It used the idea that Joe Chill was a
hit man working for someone. So when Chill became a liability the
mastermind was not afraid to get rid of CHill and get someone else.

It certainly was better than the garbage post Zero Hour about Batman never
finding out who the killer of his parents were and then claiming _The
Greatest Evil_ was in continuity despite Batman looking at the incident of
his parents murder and we the reader could clearly see the name "Joe Chill"
on the computer screen.

The idea that Dr Thomas Wayne had made some enemies and that there was more
to Joe Chill than met the eye was one of the great ideas of the Silver and
Bronze ages that got needlessly thrown out.

Back to the one universe idea. It is clear to everyone it was and is a
mistake. Unless you have total dictatorial control there is no way to make
sure all the books in a shared universe have good continuity between each
other. Look at Marvel which has a multiverse but has marginalized it to
the point it might as well not exist. Continuity in the main universe
books is a total joke mainly because what is going on in one book cannot be
reconciled with what is going on in another published at the same time
because they involve the same characters.

Obviously it's not clear to everyone that it was and is a mistake or
we wouldn't be having this discussion and it WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDONE BY
NOW...I do believe they royally scewed up the execution but I still
think one universe was a good idea...and I think continuity was
generally better off post-crisis than pre-crisis (it certainly wasn't
any worse)...DC's conitnuity is currently particularly messy but it
stems not from the one universe idea but from the idiotic changes they
made at the end of Infinite Crisis that were never properly explained
and probably won't be anytime soon.
.

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