Re: Return of Earth-1 Superman?

On Jan 2, 10:30 pm, Duggy <Paul.Dug...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jan 3, 3:22 pm, Anlatt the Builder <tirh...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

The single universe was replaced.
The single universe was REPLACED.

Is there an echo in here.

Things that are replaced no longer exist.

Really?  My parents replaced their lounge this year... and gave their
old one to me.  I hope that the old ones still exist... because, well,
I've been sitting on them for a week.

The ones that I replaced with my parent's old ones still exist, too.
I have bruises on my shins where I keep walking into them in the dark.

What makes you think that things that are replaced no longer exist.

Or, at least, they are not equal to any part of the thing that replaces them. (Otherwise, it
wouldn't be a replacement.)

Ah, backpedaling within the same post.


My God, Duggy, you actually spent three paragraphs refuting a
statement that I clarified in sentence that IMMEDIATELY followed the
original statement, and was clearly intended as part of it. Then you
called the clarification "backpedaling within the same post." No,
within the same paragraph; and it was obviously a clarification and
not backpedaling. (People backpedal when their original statement is
contradicted by someone - not in an uninterrupted paragraph.)

I do not see that as arguing in good faith.

The store was replaced by a mall, which includes the store.

The store was NOT replaced by a mall. The store is still there. The
other parts of the mall were added to the original store. Unless (oh
my God, more backpedaling!) the store was torn down and rebuilt, in
which case I question the extent to which we would call it "the same
store."

Nobody speaking ordinary English would describe the building of a mall
to include a pre-existing store as "the store was replaced by a
mall."

I replaced my copy of "A Clockwork Orange" with "The Stanley Kubrick
Collection" which includes "A Clockwork Orange."

Well, here we get into questions of what constitutes identity for
different sorts of objects.

Was it the SAME story? Or a different copy of the story? In this case
we have a concept of what "the same story" means - the same words,
even if recopied elsewhere - AND, more importantly, you can actually
CHECK to see if its the same story by comparing it to the old copy.

But I'm not sure we have the same concept of two universe being "the
same universe." And, far more importantly, you have no way of
demonstrating that the Original Single Universe and the Earth-1
Universe are "the same universe," even if we use the concept of
sameness that we use for stories - because you have no way of
comparing the two. They're both universes; they both have Oas; more
detailed comparison seems impossible.

The restaurant replaced their old menu with a new expanded menu.


Same thing as with "story." You're using conceptual senses of "the
same" ("it has the same food items") that do not in any way refer to
object similarity ("oh, look, they've included the same food items
they had a few weeks ago, and a few more - doesn't that mean I can
find the actual menu I was holding in my hands a few weeks ago, the
one that still has my greasy fingerprints on it, inside this one?").

The original single universe was NOT Earth-1. The original single
universe was REPLACED, but Earth-1 was around AFTERWARDS. They can't
be the same thing.

But the replacement *can* include the original thing.

The multiverse replaced the single universe, but that single universe
can still exist as part of the multiverse.

I'll admit that the original single universe and Earth-1 both had an
Oa in them,

Exactly.


Two universe can both have an Oa in them and not be the same universe.
That's easily demonstrated.
.

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