Re: Fatality

On Jul 16, 4:47?pm, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAM...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tony <TonyJ1...@xxxxxxx> wrote innews:1184567853.308415.113520@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:

On Jul 15, 7:48?pm, Dan McEwen <ferroSPAM...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is the part that made the ending of Infinite Crisis confusing.
Why move WW back in time to "the beginning"? What does it add to her
character? I figured that doing this was at least partly intended to
fix Donna's origin.
--moving Diana back to the beginning of the Silver Age solidifies her
as an iconic figure in the DCU. She was around at the second age of
heroism. In the Post Crisis DCU, I never bought her being part of the
"Big 3" b/c she didn't debut at the "beginning". Returning her to the
beginning of the Silver Age allows her to regain her Big 3 status,
IMHO.

Explain how.

--If we operate on the sliding (roughly) 10 year timeline, having
Diana debut 5 years after Superman diminishes the impact of her role
in the DCU. Remember, she was on a mission of peace in Man's World.
Not only that, but she served as a role model to not just countless
women, but also various female super heroines. Her mission and her
impact on the world around her are better served by having her debut
at the start of the modern heroic age, rather than the middle of it.
She's *more* of an icon by having been around longer, IMHO. It gives
her message and influence more time to spread.



Are the JSAers "iconic" because they came first?

--I'd argue that they are. They were the first team of superheroes
and they showed how to be true heroes. Heck, in the comics the
respect and reverence they get is largely *because* they were the
first heroes.

No. Are
Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, and Elvis iconic because they came first?
No, especially since they weren't first. Can you name any of the first
baseball players or just the greats? Icons are not formed by being
first to do something but by being great a something.

--see, I think it's a combination of those two...especially in
comics. Superman is an icon in the DCU not *just* because of his
deeds and his persona, but b/c he was the first major hero in the
modern age. He paved the way and set the example for many other
heroes.

Heck, Hippolyta
was now WW before Diana and she's not an icon. She didn't need to be
there at the beginning.

--Polly was hardly on the same mission that Diana was. She hung out in
the past just for the thrill of it. Not to spread Amazon ideals.



Remember,

while she was "born" on Paradise Island, she was ripped from there
by Dark Angel and forced to live out multiple lives; each of which
ended in tragedy.

More Byrne drek. Don'y remind me.

--it may be dreck--and I'm certainly *no* Byrne lover--but at least he
was attempting to incorporate her various origins into this timeline.

It was unnecessary. My motivation for stories is a good read. Byrne
didn't provide that and added nothing positive to Donna's life.
Instead, he gave her multiple lifetimes of torture and based her
existence on what Wally West remembered about her. In the end, her
origin still remained the same (rescued by Theia and raised by the
Titans) but was different in some other lifetime. Exactly how did that
do anything whatsoever to "fix" her origin. In fact, since Donna was
originally a person, he changed her. You could argue that "Wonder Girl"
was originally supposed to be a younger version of Diana, but that
wasn't Donna. That was the equivalent of an Elseworlds, just like the
Sons of Superman and Batman.

--well, I'd say making heads or tails of Donna's past is important
*if* you plan on doing something with her character. So Byrne gets
points for half of that. However, there was no follow up, and it seems
as if he had nothing planned for her character after he "fixed" her.

Tony

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