Re: IC#4 The disappearance of a particular character...

On 22 Jan 2006 00:36:13 -0800, "Tony" <TonyJ1675@xxxxxxx> wrote:

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>Lilith wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 03:32:11 +0000 (UTC), tyg@xxxxxxxxx (Tom Galloway)
>> wrote:
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>> >In article <ultrajoe-CF142E.16452721012006@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> >Joe Sewell <ultrajoe@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> >>Well, if you think about it, many of the modern heroes are of "mixed
>> >>heritage." Courtney may be a non-Earth-Two soul, but her heroic
>> >>heritage comes completely from Earth-Two, including the Cosmic Rod,
>> >>Cosmic Converter Belt, and costume. Likewise Mr. Terrific was inspired
>> >>by his JSA predecessor. Where do you fit them?
>> >
>> >As for Mr. Terrific, he had no connection with Terry Sloane and was inspired
>> >by the Spectre telling him a story about Terry...and later being retconned
>> >into being a Terry-level polymath rather than just very very good. Same way
>> >Barry Allen was inspired to become The Flash by having read comic stories
>> >about the Earth-2 character and then getting similar powers. So Michael Holt
>> >can stick around as Mr. T. On the other hand, Courtney's rod and belt should
>> >really disappear as those are directly from Earth-2 sources (both built by
>> >Earth-2's Ted Knight prior to the time period in which Crisis occured).
>> >
>> >The interesting question is whether Robin-2, Huntress-2, Green Arrow-2,
>> >Speedy-2, etc. have appeared on Earth-2. And whether Iron Munro has just
>> >disappeared completely due to his role as a post-Crisis "replacement" in
>> >the '40s for Superman (he and Fury I are really the only two of those
>> >pure replacements to get any real play in the last few years, and she
>> >went off with Theymscyria).
>>
>> This thing is way off the charts in terms of confusion. Assuming that
>> Earths 1 & 2 split, all the characters reverted to their appropriate
>> Earths. The Daily Planet was replaced on Earth 2 with its counterpart
>> so I assume the equivalent changes were induced in the characters
>> involved appropriate for their respective Earths. This negates any
>> history they had on Earth-combined. So, when all the Earth 2ers
>> disappeared from the scene we were watching, how come the Earth 1ers
>> realized that they were gone. In theory history should have been
>> changed and the battle they'd just had would have been.... well,
>> non-history. The only characters presumably outside the re-revised
>> histories would have been Kal-L, Lois-L, Alex and Superboy-L since
>> Metaphysics 101 teaches us that the cause of any temporal or
>> dimensional tampering does not affect the agent of the tampering.
>>
>> >tyg tyg@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>> --
>> Lilith
>
>--you're assuming history was altered.
>I don't think it was.
>I think all Alex did was split all the Earth 2 elements off of the
>current DC Earth. He didn't reboot history. If it was retroactive,
>then that would be the case. Given that the characters remember those
>that disappeared, it isn't.

As I said, way too confusing and confused. If all the Earth 2
elements were stripped off then there simply wouldn't have been a
Daily Planet. But we did see its Earth 2 counterpart. (Sorry, I've
blanked on the name other than 'star' being in there.) That would
mean history also had to be reset such that that newspaper was still
there and not the Daily Planet. And if history was reset on E2 why
would E1 be excluded from a reset? I assume the use of the various E#
only characters in the Anti-Monitor's machine was because Alex needed
a template (memories?) of each Earth from which the various Earths
could be reconstructed. Quite some memories, eh?

I simply think that this wasn't well thought out. No matter what
happens next issue or beyond I think we're going to end up with some
inconsistencies that will never be explained.

>Tony

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Lilith
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