Re: Is Usenet Dying? Or anime?

Blade wrote:


"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:gq0obe$9r1$2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Blade <kumonryuu@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Giovanni Wassen" <extatix@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dave Watson <dwbeingupfront@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Who will be watching some anime he legally bought not long after
posting this.

Weird huh, the guy keep saying my downloading is bad for business yet I
find myself buying anime I watched and enjoyed.

Downloading is bad for the anime business, your personal anecdotes and
the beliefs of an idiot troll nonwithstanding.

Neither you, nor Chicken Little, nor anyone else ever came up with any
substantial data to support this claim.

And yet it is accepted by fact by the people who actually create anime, as numerous articles, interviews, and cease&desist letters have shown.

It's accepted as BELIEF. There are people who also believe the earth is flat.

Oooh, ooh, I can do that too! There's some people who believe you've published a book! Ha!

They're wrong, of course.

I've published THREE so far.


There's plenty of business evidence that they're wrong. As I've

Go ahead and present it, then. The two people I've been arguing with certainly don't have any.

I've presented it plenty of times before to Dorky. Or do you avoid those threads?

iTunes is a pretty much unanswerable piece of evidence. Billions in business, selling stuff -- requiring a password, mind you, which is to some people a significant hassle! -- which is for the most part EASILY AVAILABLE FOR FREE. Most of that music on iTunes I can find for free from your oh-so-terrible criminals, and it has no DRM (well, Apple's getting rid of that now, I hear), etc. By Dorky's arguments, iTunes SIMPLY CANNOT EXIST. No one will pay for something they can get for free, well, no one of a significant number, nothing that would support an industry.

Yet THERE IT IS. A billion dollars is a bloody industry by itself, and iTunes is ONE subdivision of ONE company.

In other media, there's Hulu making money from making content available for free. There's multiple "download this movie" operations making money, some of them by actually charging for the movie, others with ads. The Baen Free Library has demonstrated that people will download free e-books AND THEN PAY MONEY FOR THE EXACT SAME E-BOOK (aside from them also running out and buying the physical book).

There is really no usable counterargument to these facts. People are not inherently crooks, they WILL pay if they feel the price is fair and if they have reason to believe the money is being at least partially sent to the creators of the material they like, AND if they can do this fairly easily.

Reiterating, the basic rule is simple and clear: if you make the product available easily, for a price that doesn't seem piratical (i.e., we KNOW that those CDs cost you a couple pennies apiece and you want us to pay $20 for them???), people will pay. They LIKE to feel legitimate, for the most part.

The "industry hate" I've heard is mostly "I don't like being overcharged for my entertainment, and some of what X company did was really dickish anyway". They're still watching anime, so the industry's PRODUCT is still in demand. I'm sure there's some dickheads who would not pay anything and insist on getting it illegally even if there were easy and legitimate ways to get it at equal or better quality by paying a small fee, but they're not a majority, probably not even a significant minority.




However, since it was already revealed down the line that you actually think filesharing will destroy the companies and force new business models of uncertain profitability, you either hold two completely contradictory viewpoints or your evidence doesn't indicate that at all.

No, I hold perfectly consistent ones.

The companies are not the industry. The industry is "production of profitable anime".

Wipe out all the currently "stuck on the DVD/BluRay" model companies, either there already are, or will be, other companies who will have a clue producing anime that won't depend on shipping tiny discs of plastic across the ocean to sell.

The above evidence PROVES this. With a billion dollars in business, iTunes has already ESTABLISHED the new industry paradigm. Some people are just still trying to pretend it can't work, for some reason I can't fathom.

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