Re: Another Anime is Dead Rant

On Nov 27, 4:46 pm, starc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Nov 26, 5:11 pm, Derek Janssen <ejan...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

starc...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

<snip, but leaving significant attribution>

And remember that strange ritualistic phrase we always invoked when we
were excited that "Totoro" or "Porco Rosso" would be coming out on
Disney DVD?:
"Yay!--Now I can"...<pause for effect>..."RETIRE MY FANSUBS!" @_@

That was true _THEN_ -- it has no effect on the anime industry (which
was basically built on fansubs -- something the industry forgets)
_now_.

I mean, that's weird, isn't it?: Fans buying something they'd already
owned for free or tape-cost all those years? And then actually *looking
forward* to get rid of their bird-in-the-hand that was worth two on the
shelves, just throwing it away in the trash, like that? That's just
plain loopy!

Well, that was before the Internet, when the pirates could get it
"close enough" in quality that it would no longer have to be worried
about.

I mean, consider music for a second -- most of the time, one would
have to get involved with a "tape tree" or something to that effect to
hear concert tapes.

Imagine if the concert could be video-recorded at quality which makes
attendance somewhat irrelevant?? The only reason they haven't taken
over is that people are smart enough to toss out/prosecute _EVERYBODY_
who doesn't have the authorization to take the recording that far.

Or could it be that concerts are simply fundamentally different from
broadcasts, in that they're difficult to record, and essential
portions of the fundamental concert experience are lost in even the
best of recording processes?

When they say "You had to have been there," they mean it.

Short of the series musicals, related concerts, and the occasional
handshaking event, Anime isn't even remotely close to a live
experience.
<more snips>

Arguments about Phil Hartman's voice aside, show me even *one* person
who KEPT their homemade club-tape or degrading fansub-only copy of
"Kiki" after Disney's DVD came out, and you are looking at one stupid,
stupid fan. :)

Show me even one person who would've bought the Disney "Kiki" if a
close-to-quality recording was as widely available on the Net as is
now and I'll show you the exception to the current rule.

I can show you plenty of them, most of whom are soccer moms looking
for a disney label to babysit the kids. (I don't necessarily approve,
but one could pick worse than Miyazaki to do the job.) Kiki has all
the characteristics of a classic mass-market title. Those aren't in
any danger of going away.

<snip>

Take that year old license, and repackage it. Use anime as a
promotional material to drive another product. Find a new broadcast
medium. Find a new distribution medium. The license is already paid
for! Sunk cost arguments aside, it'd be foolish to just toss away a
license without exploring other methods of extracting value from it.

WHAT VALUE? And what value would you get from a Kaleido Star, for
example, in any of the above respects?

...Retroactively re-selling it under new repackaging to fans who just
now learned who directed Princess Tutu, and want to see other shows?

Why do that when a Wiki search and a Bittorrent search probably gets
you most of Kaleido Star (this is, of course, after the Good Ship
Anime sinks...)?

Again, you have to make people want to buy the re-sold material --
otherwise, you've sunk more good money after bad than you already
have.

Have you been reading any of the responses I've been posting? You
don't try to sell it the same way. You don't try to sell it under
the same model. Of course you make somebody want to pay for it again.
Somebody else, in some other format.

Use it to pad your subscription numbers. Use it to

They're worthless in the current market, with the current model. That
doesn't mean you have to use the current model. Or sell to the
current market. Snow to eskimoes.

Water in the desert, if it doesn't evaporate by the time you deliver
it.

(It gets more perfect, the more I think about it... Think of anime as
snow in a desert. First, it melts. Then, it warms. Then, it
evaporates. D -- O -- A.)

(Um...it was just an EXPRESSION...Like, selling something where they
don't have any, and might like it.
You don't have it to mis-analyze every word within an inch of its life.)
-_-

Actually, you may have meant it as such, yes -- but it actually makes
sense.

Follow me on this:

You're trying to sell anime to a new crowd after the old paradigm
breaks down completely. (Snow in the desert...)

But they can get it for free on the Internet (Melts...).

That would imply that desert dwellers already have water. Ain't got
nothing to do with melting. The analogy really starts breaking here.
If this is a market that already has anime, it ain't the desert, and
this isn't the place to try to sell.

At roughly equivalent quality -- if they care (Now it warms...).>
And far too late for it to even matter, since they could probably see
all of the series by the time you release volume 1 -- unless you go
simultaneous release. (Evaporates.)

So, basically, the only way it continues is to basically declare
current licenses roughly useless and only go after the next season's
_current anime_.

No, again, you repurpose those licenses, and re-sell them for those
new purposes. Only after exhausting every last single possible
(viable) revenue source do you declare them useless, and even then you
don't discard them, you hold on to them till your license expires just
in case another potential use comes up.

<snip>
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