Re: Vexille

SpaceGirl wrote:

Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:

SpaceGirl <nothespacegirlspam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I also hate music, but audio feedback is okay sometimes.i

The decision if/when audio feedback is okay for me is not yours to
make.

Yes and no. it's not your decision to make to NOT allow audio
feedback for those who want it. So we provide audio feedback. This
can be a GOOD thing for people with difficulty seeing a display; it
gives some other kind of feedback other that visual.

So you (should) allow people to turn it on if they want it. This means
that they retain the decision of whether or not to have it, without
being forced to have it - for however brief a period - if they do not
want it.

It's always disable-able.

Yeah? I'd like to see how you do that, say, on [1]. Except for
turning off the speakers, that is.

All the sites we do, if they have audio, we provide a sound off and
volume control. Like you, I listen to music while at the computer and
the last thing I want is some web site annoying me.

"It's always disable-able" means "it is always possible to disable it on
every site on the entire Internet", not "every site we do provides a
means to disable it". There are certainly many sites which do not
provide a way to do that.

For that matter: how is the user supposed to disable a page's audio
before the page is first displayed and the audio first starts playing,
without disabling either Flash or their computer's entire audio
subsystem beforehand?


For another point on the Flash debate: I hate embedded-Flash pages, for
four reasons - not all of equal importance, and not given in any
particular order.

A: if I do not happen to have sound playing when I visit the page and
the plugin is automatically loaded, they take over my system's sound
device, so that nothing else can play sound until I restart the browser;
if I *do* happen to have sound playing when I visit the page, the plugin
cannot access the sound device, and if I should *want* sound from Flash
later on I cannot get it without restarting the browser.

B: It takes up resources on my system unnecessarily, both memory and
CPU, limiting the things I an do elsewhere.

C: There is a strange apparent bug in my (somewhat outdated) browser
which will routinely lead the entire browser to die if I right-click on
something Flash under the mistaken impression that it's an image - which
happens all too often with ads.

D: The routine lack of any way to navigate backwards and forwards correctly.

(All of this is for my home system. The browser I use at work supports
Flashblock, and I find it wonderful. When I finally build my new system,
there is almost no question that I will use it at home as well.)


The Web *does* consist of pages, and short of an absolute revolution in
interface technology (something to supersede the "browser"), very likely
always will. If you want to provide an interactive experience, have the
user download and run a separate program which connects out to your
server and does exactly what you want it to with the results.

After all, that's more or less what Flash is - it just pretends to be an
ordinary part of the browser instead.

We give the user an all round experience, and they can choose to turn
elements of that experience off.

Opt-out is almost inherently a bad model.

Also: unless you give them the ability to access the same content
without the disadvantages of the client-side interactive model, you are
not really offering them a choice of "experience" or "no experience" -
you are offering them a choice of "use it" or "don't use it".

--
The Wanderer

Warning: Simply because I argue an issue does not mean I agree with any
side of it.

Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.
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