Re: Censorship in the net group OT?)

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"Inu-Yasha" <tjardine@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Aje RavenStar" <whinebucket@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Inu-Yasha" <tjardine@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Just curious, is there someone authorized to censor posts here, and if
so, what is the authority? Acouple of posts including mine were removed
from the server, and for what I don't know, unless it's because pro gun
posts ( mine were, but not rabid, and not in anoverbearing meanner, or so
I thought) are not to be allowed. Ideas? Opinions?

Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^

Did you check the group through Google to see if your messages were in the
thread archive? If they are, might just be your newserver that removed
them. I don't recall you posting anything any more overbearing, extreme,
or whatever you want to label it than some of the others in it.

Well I have to admit that I'm not so good with some of the finer arts of the
net, like googling groups, but I found the thread "The Mayor Of Nagasaki",
and the Stan Lee post that I replied to is there, but not my post nor the
post he sent replying to me. Beyond that 'I' can't find anything, so I'm
uncertain as to what happened. If my post was rabid, or beyond gross, or
something like that, I would understand someone expunging it, but all I
noted was that the US Constitution second amendment can apparently be
interpreted to back one's gun control position regardless of which side you
take. Some people also tend to use ridicule to make their 'point', as if
ridicule was a logical support of a discussion, me I don't believe in doing
that.

Another post in the same thread that I made, paraphrasing Voltaire's
famous quote about defending someone's right to speak was also expunged. Go
figure.

Well, if I was to make a guess, I'd say that your ISP's news server
is the most likely culprit, since it's the first computer that sees
your posts before they're propogated out to the rest of the Usenet
network. Looks like you're on Roadrunner through your cable company,
and most ISPs that still run their own servers usually don't treat
them as important. Likely very few newsgroups are carried, and they
likely have very short expiration times for the posts to be kept,
and they may even have filters on the groups they do carry. Every
news server can have their own rules for what they carry and how,
as long as they don't disrupt or damage other servers in the network.

(boring Usenet explanation follows)

Usenet is carried by what's called "store and forward", which means
each news server gathers posts from "downstream" (which is usually
you) and sends them to the immediate servers "upstream" (often other
ISPs or dedicated Usenet providers like Giganews or Newsguy), who
then send them on to whatever other servers they know of, and gather
posts to send back "downstream", eventually to you when your
newsreader software connects to your ISP's news server. Usenet is
set up to allow you to "cancel" your own posts, by sending a "cancel"
message out to the other servers, which may or may not honor the
cancel by removing the original post. "Cancel" messages can also
be sent to servers carrying moderated newsgroups, which allow the
moderators to prevent posts from appearing before they are vetted.
Early on there were "cancel wars" caused by people forging cancel
messages so that they appeared to come from the original poster,
so that some news administrators became reluctant to simply honor
all cancels automatically, except for moderated newsgroups.

It's possible that your ISP is not propogating all posts that they
receive from customers, either because of terms of service violations
or because the servers may be overloaded or otherwise malfunctioning.
It's not as likely that someone is sending out forged cancel messages,
although it is a possibility. Google is pretty good about archiving
as much of Usenet as possible, excluding binaries, so if it's not on
Google, odds are good it never left your ISP. If it isn't even on
the ISP's news server, then they have some problems that they need
to fix. It's the reason I subscribe to pay Usenet services Giganews
and Newsguy, so that I can be sure I get good coverage, and that my
posts have a good chance of getting out.

I'd talk to someone at Roadrunner, if I was you.

Cap.

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