Re: FMA - episode 36 - The Sinner Within


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>>>> Episode 36 - The Sinner Within
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>>>> Nature of the Offence Crime against humanity, an offence
>>>> against Section 1(a)(2) of the Nazis and Nazi Collaborators
>>>> (Punishment) Law 5710-1950, and Section 23 of the Criminal
>>>> Law Ordinance, 1936.
>>>>
>>>> Particulars of the Offence: The Accused: committed acts,
>>>> during the period between 1939 and 1945, in Germany and the
>>>> other countries of the Axis, in the occupied territories and
>>>> also in the areas which were in practice subject to their
>>>> authority, which are to be defined as crimes against
>>>> humanity, when, together with others, he caused the murder,
>>>> extermination, enslavement, starvation and expulsion of the
>>>> Jewish civilian population in those countries and areas. The
>>>> Accused committed these acts in the course of fulfilling his
>>>> functions as specified in the First Count.
>>
>> From the trial of Adolf
>>>> Eichmann -
>>>> http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/eichmann-adolf/transcripts/
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> "I agree. Al couldn't do that," Ed says. The close up on Ed's grim eyes
>>>> tell the story as he says, " But, then... he doesn't need to... because
>>>> I can and will. I met someone one time who thought it was easy for
>>>> humans to kill after they did it once. [image of Barry the Chopper]
>>>> Maybe it was inevitable, but I did cross that line. I killed an
>>>> alchemist named Majhal." [images from a Forger's Love] Ed is starting
>>>> to take stock of himself and face up to what he has done and can do,
>>>> perhaps preparing himself for what he thinks he will have to do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Remember what I mentioned before about the responsibilities of the Older
>>> Brother.
>>>
>> To protect the innocence of the younger brother? It's interesting that in
>> most of these pairs, the younger seems to be more innocent, and the older
>> more ruthless, except for Scar and his brother. It seems to be the
>> opposite with them.
>>
>
> Think about the flashbacks when Scar's brother was still alive - notice
> the dynamics then?

Yes, then Scar was the innocent one, confused and concerned over the actions
of the older brother. But even then, there doesn't seem to be the arrogance
that characterizes Ed or Russell Tringham or the anger of Leo.
>
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>>>> Al asks if he could teach them that method of making the philosopher's
>>>> stone but the exile replies, "I 'm afraid there's very little
>>>> difference in theory between the Grand Arcanum and your people's method
>>>> you've no doubt discovered. The only variance is the number of
>>>> sacrifices required. A fallen city. Or an entire tribe lost to
>>>> genocide. atrocities of war so horrific [we are shown images of the
>>>> broken statues in Liore] all that remain are the graves. Tens of
>>>> thousands, or hundreds of thousands of misplaced souls. In the hands of
>>>> a skilled alchemist these lost souls are brought together. [we see Scar
>>>> making marks in the dirt by dragging a huge rock] forged into the
>>>> philosopher's stone."
>>>>
>>>
>>> Does anything look vaguely familiar in that very brief scene?
>>>
>> Inside the text or outside the text? It reminded me of Sisyphus in hell.
>>
>
> Inside the text - keep in mind what he is doing and think about it for
> later.

Well, he seems to be constructing a very large transmutation circle, perhaps
of the tattoo on his arm. One question I have is where: is it in Ishbal or
Liore?
>
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>>>> Ed and Al decide to pursue Scar. They have a brief conversation with
>>>> the boys about the bigotry felt between Ishbalans and the other
>>>> citizens of Amestris. Winry decides to go to Central with Hawkeye to
>>>> see the Hughes family.
>>>
>>> Notice Winry's expression when she says that?
>>>
>> The fake smile you mean?
>>
>
> Yes.
>
>>>> Riza realizes they don't know about Hughes, but like Armstrong, she
>>>> does not tell Ed and Al.
>>>>
>>>> On the train, Winry and Hawkeye talk about Riza's duties as a soldier.
>>>> "Did you know a pair of doctors, the Rockbells?"
>>>>
>>>
>>> This starts out different in an important way in the Japanese version.
>>> Winry very formally starts to ask Riza a question and Riza tells her
>>> that calling her "Riza" is fine. Winry starts again and asks Riza if she
>>> has shot any people. Riza then replies "Yes, Many". That's when Winry
>>> asks her if she knew the Rockbell Doctors.
>>>
>> This scene starts out with Winry addressing her by her rank and being
>> told to call her Riza (I just didn't transcribe that part).
>>
>
> Did it include the question about shooting people and Riza's affirmative
> response?
>
Not in the same way. Certainly not the "yes, many" response that you
indicate here.

>>>> Hawkeye sees where the conversation is going, and responds, "I don't
>>>> know what you've been told, but there are times when a soldier has to
>>>> take a life, even when he doesn't understand why. The orders may not
>>>> even make any sense at ale. That's the way it is when you're a soldier,
>>>> and it can be a a stupid and terrible life."
>>>>
>>>
>>> Riza actually said that that she doesn't like being a soldier.
>>>
>> Okay, that's a different reading of the line than we got.
>>
>
> Notice that the Japanese version is much more personal - Riza isn't making
> the discussion theoretical.
>
Whereas in the English version, it's veiled. The personal is implied
subtextually, under theoretical language.

>>>> "If you hate it, why don't you get out?" demands Winry.
>>>>
>>>> "Because there's someone I have to protect. And it's not a burden
>>>> someone forced on me. It's a decision I made for myself, and I take
>>>> full responsibility any time I fire a round. But he's the reason I
>>>> squeeze the trigger, and I won't ever hesitate to do it, until the day
>>>> he accomplishes his goal."
>>>>
>>>> "But how can you be certain? What if he isn't worth protecting?"
>>>>
>>>> "That's another call I have to make for myself," Riza responds.
>>>>
>>>> Elsewhere, Sloth introduces Wrath to Lust and Gluttony. Sloth is giving
>>>> the orders: "I want you to go after Fullmetal and his brother again.
>>>> Affect them." Affect them. That's an ominous order. An order like that
>>>> means someone is going to die.
>>>>
>>>> Lust doesn't look happy. "I thought you said we shouldn't count on
>>>> them, that they didn't have the constitution to make a stone."
>>>>
>>>
>>> Notice Lust's expression at the end of that scene? Keep the dynamics in
>>> this scene in the back of your mind, they become more significant later
>>> on.
>>>
>> Yes, it seems that Lust is really resenting taking orders from Sloth.
>
> True, but not just that. That's why the last image is important. FMA is
> done almost like a "classic" European film, with significance in the
> facial closeups.
>
It is an odd expression, isn't it? I think Sloth better keep an eye on her
bones.

>> But Sloth certainly feels that she has the necessary authority. The
>> question is: where does that authority come from?
>>
>
> You're back to the central question of the puppet master...
>
Yes, but I don't feel any more ready to speculate on that any more than I've
already done. The dynamics are too sketchy.

>>>> "And yet they are headed to Ishbal as we speak. If they discover what
>>>> really happened there, any chance we do have of them creating a stone
>>>> will permanently dissolve."
>>>>
>>>> "Not to mention the blow to our mobility if the truth got out." So the
>>>> implication is that the sins were behind the Ishbal rebellion.
>>>>
>>>> We end with Winry at the Hughes home, looking at photos of Hughes and
>>>> Mustang together, now learning of Hughes' death. "'I will push him to
>>>> the top,'" Gracia quotes. "That's what he would always say. That he
>>>> would support Roy Mustang until he became the Fuhrer." Winry breaks
>>>> down. Clearly she is having trouble accepting Hawkeye and Hughes'
>>>> unwavering support of the man who killed her parents.
>>>>
>>>> Next episode: The Flame Alchemist, the bachelor lieutenant, and the
>>>> mystery of warehouse 13
>>>>
>>>
>>> The next episode is the last "farce" episode and 90% of it consists of
>>> two shaggy dog tales. But watch carefully for the 10% that isn't fluff,
>>> and enjoy the emotional break that comes from the humor, because things
>>> will start to get much, much more serious and tragic subsequently.
>>>
>>> Dave Baranyi
>>>
>> People are gonna die! I just know it. Waaaah!!!
>>
>
> Death isn't the only source of tragedy...<very evil grin time again...>
>
Yes. I was just watching the latest Harry Potter movie this afternoon. I was
thinking about the nature of the three unforgivable curses: coercion
(imperius), torture (cruciatus) and death (avada kedavra). I can see those
concepts playing in here as well.

> BTW - thanks again for the great job of writing these synopses. Now please
> inform your University Tenure Committee to hurry up and give you Tenure
> because you have important work to do concerning anime and can't be
> bothered with their "trivial" requests... <LOL>
>
:-)

Well, it's in process up the administrative chain. The department has met,
so it's probably at the dean level now. I figure that since they just gave
me a merit raise, they can't very well deny me tenure. It has been a weirdly
nerve-racking process so far.

> Dave Baranyi
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>> laurie
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