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"NetMax" <computeralias@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > "Gill Passman" <gillnospamat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> >> Koi-lo wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "NetMax" <computeralias@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >>>
> >>>> I'm not saying that this is a widely applied corporate policy,
but
> >>>> saying
> >>>> stores legally have to sell something is not true, at least to
the
> >>>> best of
> >>>> my understanding in Canada.
> >>>
> >>> ======================
> >>> Here in the USA you can be sure a lawsuit would soon
commence......
> >>> :-(
> >>
> >> This rule also applies in the UK...I believe it has something to
do
> >> with the sale of livestock rather than any other law...my local
stores
> >> will totally NOT sell fish unless they can be as sure as
possible that
> >> these pets will be properly cared for....no lawsuit in the UK
would
> >> win against a retailer refusing to sell anything alive to an
> >> unsuitable home
> >
> > $$ In the USA you'd have to have PROOF the home was unsuitable.
People
> > here sue for the least little thing. One woman got rich suing
> > McDonald's because SHE spilt hot coffee on her own crotch!
Surely you
> > heard about that one. How do the stores in your country make sure
the
> > home is suitable for all the pets they sell?
> >
> >> Today, I have seen in the press that our largest supermarket
chain has
> >> refused to sell a certain brand of chocolate to someone as it
went
> >> against their quality principles....maybe it's time that there
was
> >> some legislation in the US protecting livestock (and chocolate -
being
> >> flippant) being sold into unsuitable hands....
> >
> > $$ I wish there was - there isn't. People who are seldom home
buy cats
> > to live in virtual isolation. They buy huge dogs to languish in
tiny
> > efficiency apartments. They buy expensive birds and hang their
cages
> > by open windows or above air conditioning vents. They buy a bag
of koi
> > for 100 gallon unfiltered preformed ponds.....
> >
> >> Honestly, I think if you cannot provide a proper home for a pet
you
> >> should not be buying it....I don't discriminate against a
mammal, bird
> >> or fish in this....if you can't provide a proper home it is
> >> cruel...part of pet owning is responsibility for the creature
you are
> >> giving a home to....I don't care what it is, I don't care how
much
> >> money someone has...if they buy it they need to provide the care
for
> >> it and if they can't afford to house it suitably they shouldn't
be
> >> buying it in the first place...end of story...
>
>
>
>
> > $$ There is no way to know how they will care for it once they
leave
> > the pet store or breeders facilities. That's probably the reason
we
> > don't have such laws here.
>
> If I might be so brash, that sounds like a cop-out. I never had
trouble
> establishing the conditions the fish were going into. I wasn't a
nazi
> grilling them. I'd just conversationally inquire about the
tank-mates,
> foods given, number of fish, size of tank. Almost 100% of them
seemed
> very eager to discuss their hobby with someone who cared and showed

> knowledge. Most people taking the fish into an abusive application
were
> unaware of it, and we informed them regarding growth rates and
eventual
> size (usually keeping Arowanas, Oscars, Koi, Pacus and TinFoil
barbs out
> of 5 to 10g tanks). The odd one would still tell me the truth, but

> simply didn't care or it was a cultural thing. Only once did
someone
> outright lie, and it was quite obvious.
>
> Your attitude sounds like the same cop-out used in the US regarding
gun
> control (or lack of), so maybe it's a cultural 'freedom' thing.
Almost
> seems like the freedom being protected, is to take the easy way
out.
> --
> www.NetMax.tk *stumbles off soapbox he didn't notice was there*
>
>
>
> >> and goodnight
> >> Gill
> > --
> > Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
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> >
> >
> >
>
>

It is a cop-out. It's like saying that criminals will always find
guns so there's nothing that can be done about it. Also - criminals
will do whatever they want no matter what so why bother trying to
re-rehabilitate them. It's like saying a criminal will do what-ever
they want whenever they want and that they should be executed, when
quite frankly not only is it cheaper to keep them incarcerated for
life compared to executing them the criminal will never commit
another crime while permanently incarcerated. It's like saying a
person can not be swayed from committing suicide so why bother trying
to convince them not to. It's like saying boys will be boys so don't
try to prevent fights. It's like saying the universe will either
expand until entropy becomes present or that the universe will
collapse in a big crunch, so don't even try to do anything about it
but just lay down and die. It's like saying the sun will die in 20
million years so don't try to move civilization to another system in
the form of traveling. It's like my mom saying she will die from
breast cancer anyway so why bother having the tumor removed (just
found this out today :-( <very big frown>). I could go on about other
cop-outs that are the same as these but I will just say instead that
these cop-outs are totally anti-proactive and quite frankly just
plain total stupidity. There is always a chance something good can be
accomplished instead. Just because the answer doesn't answer a
question 100% doesn't mean it's wrong. Maybe netmax couldn't ALWAYS
tell correctly that the fish would go to good homes but AT LEAST he
could accomplish it at a 70% level or something close to that and
even a lower success rate would still be better than doing nothing.
Even the most conservative perspective has to agree with this
practically speaking. Good luck netmax, and later!

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