Re: Thunderbird developers: Get rid of this bug immediately.

Hieronymus S. Freely wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Hieronymus S. Freely wrote:
[trimming becomes necessary.]
Let's see. The "legitimate suggestions" I've had so far have ranged from
useless and mis-targeted ("stop using Google Groups") to unprintable.

Other than one joke post, nobody has suggested that Google Groups is a
*newsreader*.

There is a set of newsgroups somewhere for Firefox and Thunderbird.

There is a set of web forums, which nobody seems to pay any attention
to.

So, have you looked for the Mozilla newsgroups? I don't remember the
server name, but I'm sure someone can chime in with details.

Unfortunately, it now looks like this newsgroup is no better --
there's nobody here but a bunch of flamers who, even though they
apparently can offer no constructive response, do not do the
appropriate thing for such circumstances and remain silent.

You've gotten some good advice, to which you reply with "*** that" and
other less than pleasant terms.

It is puzzling why you put up with something for so long, that
obviously irks you to no end.

Lack of a viable alternative. Every other Windows newsreader is worse
in some way or another. Google Groups I won't even attempt.

I did not suggest you ever bother with Google Groups. Neither did Mike
except as a joke. You must have no sense of humour, if you didn't see
that.

Since they ignore their own forum, if I want a post to be seen by
them obviously I must put it elsewhere. This place suggested itself
as one where discussion of newsreader software would not be
off-topic. Would you rather I'd posted it somewhere where it WAS
off-topic?

You might as well, since you won't consider any other suggestions that
are *on-topic*.

I have a Thunderbird install set up on my box with multiple servers,
and can't say as I have ever seen such a thing. But then again, I
don't really use it for serious work. I use a newsreader.

You do, or you don't use it? Your statements seem to contradict one
another.

Please parse my paragraph.
I have a Thunderbird installation.
There are multiple news servers engaged.
I have never seen your problem.
I don't use it daily; I use Dialog.
E.g. a real newsreader, not an email client with news added
as an afterthought.

Then why did you make such a boneheaded mistake as to think I was not
using a real newsreader? You had already seen the information that
ruled out the alternative (a web interface like Google's).

The alternative is not a web interface. The alternative is a *better*
newsreader. Why don't you understand that?

I thought.

Obviously not very hard.

You haven't been listening to any advice, have you?

I never implied you used a web interface.

You did; you implied that I don't use a real newsreader;

You don't. You use an email client that had news capabilities added so
it would appeal to possible converts from Outlook Express. It is not a
dedicated newsreader.

as far as I am aware there are only three ways of posting to usenet, a
newsreader, a web interface, or a mail to news gateway. ...

Irrelevant. The discussion is about better newsreaders.

You don't understand.

Indeed I don't understand why you seem to have such serious
difficulties with basic logic and reading comprehension. Perhaps you
should refrain from posting usenet posts until those difficulties are
resolved.

<lol!>

Thunderbird is an *email* client with some added features

Thunderbird is a combination email and news client.

that had news added to appeal to possible converts from Outlook Express.

Here are some for you to investigate: 40Tude Dialog

Binary-focused, not free software, and no sign of active development
in nearly half a decade. The "current" version on their web site is a
beta from early 2005; whatever the next non-beta version was to have
been, apparently it is vaporware.

Binary focused? What does that mean? I'm here using it for text, and
through a server that does no binary groups. Did you mis-understand that
because it *can* do binaries, that it can't do *text*?

The rest you said doesn't deserve comment.

Gravity

According to http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html

"Gravity is no longer officially being developed, but one of the
programers[sic] unofficially "leaks" upgrades to Tom"

...by the original author. A short look would have produced:
http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/
Latest version: May 27, 2009

Almost as vaporware as Dialog.

Dialog is being cared for by new voluteers, and, I repeat, an excellent
newsreader.

I listed Dialog first because I think it's the best, and none of
your complaints would exist if you used it (or them).

No, most likely I'd have a whole other set of complaints instead -- and
since it is no longer actively developed, NO chance of getting them
resolved.

Place a post here and the Dialog people will see it.

In particular it would need to support:
* Watching threads.

Press "W".

* Showing only threads with unread posts, or watched threads, or watched
threads with unread posts.

Press various keys, such as Control-F1/F2, select options for viewing
only Unread posts, etc etc etc.

* Editor has to be up to windows standards. At least as capable and
bug-free as Notepad (so, better than the one in XNews) and preferably
better still.

Editor better than notepad, to be sure.

* Multiple identities support. Multiple servers support. Separate
list of subscribed groups per identity.

How many identities do you want? A dozen? More?
How many servers do you want? A dozen? More?

* A quick right click "mark thread read" capability.

Obviously you never looked. Dialog has exactly that.

* The ability to easily mark a whole group read up-to-date, but
without it being too easy for this to happen accidentally.

Well, it doesn't require a password, but right-click, choose from menu,
should not be an accident.

* Wheel scrolling, and not as broken as in XNews where often you

Scrolling works fine in Dialog.

* Spellcheck, preferably able to import any customizations made to
Thunderbird's dictionary.

Dialog has an excellent, built-in, free spellchecker.

* Probably lots more I didn't mention.

And you wouldn't have mentioned any that you did, had you but tried it.

You didn't ask, "Does Dialog have better filtering capabilities (say for
spam) than Thunderbird?" The answer is a resounding YES!

Here, get the .1 Installer, install it, then get the .84 .EXE file
update, and replace that file only with the new one, as per the
instructions.

*** that. If I'm going to replace the newsreader I've used for years,
a) it's going to be with one that has a proper goddamn one-click
installer, not one that is U-Assemble-It complete with an IKEA
instruction *** and Allen key, and b) it's not going to be just
because I was told to do so by some twerp on Usenet that has also
recently called me names, a strong indication that they might not have
had my best interests at heart when making their recommendation.

Did I not say "get the .1 **installer**" which is your typical proper
goddamn one-click installer.

I then recommended updating to the latest version of THE .EXE FILE ONLY,
by downloading that single file and replacing the existing one - which
is even quicker than a goddamn installer. I'm sorry that is way over
your head.

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Windows
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