Re: Thunderbird developers: Get rid of this bug immediately.

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Hieronymus S. Freely wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Hieronymus S. Freely wrote:
Do I make myself clear?

It is becoming more apparent that you "do make yourself clear" in a way
that shows you aren't open to legitimate suggestions.

Let's see. The "legitimate suggestions" I've had so far have ranged from useless and mis-targeted ("stop using Google Groups") to unprintable.

No. Not really. (I don't mean with your lengthy post, but with why
you posted it here.)
This is the highest-traffic usenet group in which it's on topic.

There is a set of newsgroups somewhere for Firefox and Thunderbird.

There is a set of web forums, which nobody seems to pay any attention to.

Unfortunately, it now looks like this newsgroup is no better -- there's nobody here but a bunch of flamers who, even though they apparently can offer no constructive response, do not do the appropriate thing for such circumstances and remain silent.

I am being quite serious. I have had enough of that bug and want it
fixed.
You seem to think that this public newsgroup is monitored by
Thunderbird developers.
It's a newsgroup it would make sense for them to watch. Certainly
their own web-board isn't monitored by them, or they'd have done
something about this by now. It's been discussed to death there, yet
remains unfixed years later.

It is puzzling why you put up with something for so long, that obviously
irks you to no end.

Lack of a viable alternative. Every other Windows newsreader is worse in some way or another. Google Groups I won't even attempt.

Google turns up Mozilla forums, such as this:
http://www.mozilla.org/support/thunderbird/bugs
Which is the web-board I mentioned in my first post they ignore.

Let me get this straight. You think the Tbird developers ignore their
own forum, yet you expect they should monitor this public newsgroup?

Since they ignore their own forum, if I want a post to be seen by them obviously I must put it elsewhere. This place suggested itself as one where discussion of newsreader software would not be off-topic. Would you rather I'd posted it somewhere where it WAS off-topic?

You should first search and see if a bug(s) report has already been
filed for what you perceive as a bug(s).
What I *perceive* as a bug? It IS a bug, as plain as day: if I go to
post using server X a post to two newsgroups that server X carries,
whether or not I also happen to be subscribed to either of those
groups via server Y which I am not using right now should not make a
difference to whether the attempt succeeds. That's bloody obvious.

I have a Thunderbird install set up on my box with multiple servers, and
can't say as I have ever seen such a thing. But then again, I don't
really use it for serious work. I use a newsreader.

You do, or you don't use it? Your statements seem to contradict one another.

Alternate solution to your problems: use a real newsreader
I already do: Thunderbird. What did you think I was, a Google Groups
(l)user? Check my headers.

I already had done that:
User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812)

Then why did you make such a boneheaded mistake as to think I was not using a real newsreader? You had already seen the information that ruled out the alternative (a web interface like Google's).

Or just THINK: why would I complain about a Thunderbird bug if I were
using a web interface to usenet?

I thought.

Obviously not very hard.

I never implied you used a web interface.

You did; you implied that I don't use a real newsreader; as far as I am aware there are only three ways of posting to usenet, a newsreader, a web interface, or a mail to news gateway. I'm not sure any of the latter even exist anymore; regardless, of the two alternatives to newsreaders by far the commoner to see posts from is web interfaces, particularly Google's.

You don't understand.

Indeed I don't understand why you seem to have such serious difficulties with basic logic and reading comprehension. Perhaps you should refrain from posting usenet posts until those difficulties are resolved.

Thunderbird is an *email* client with some added features

Thunderbird is a combination email and news client.

Sheesh!

Indeed.

Your entire problem could be solved if you would only use a real,
dedicated news reader.

I already am.

Here are some for you to investigate:
40Tude Dialog

Binary-focused, not free software, and no sign of active development in nearly half a decade. The "current" version on their web site is a beta from early 2005; whatever the next non-beta version was to have been, apparently it is vaporware.

Gravity

According to http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html

"Gravity is no longer officially being developed, but one of the programers[sic] unofficially "leaks" upgrades to Tom"

Almost as vaporware as Dialog.

Xnews

No undo in the editor. Other UI issues aplenty.

Pan

Wonky UI, probably because it's ported from Unix rather than native.

I listed Dialog first because I think it's the best, and none of
your complaints would exist if you used it (or them).

No, most likely I'd have a whole other set of complaints instead -- and since it is no longer actively developed, NO chance of getting them resolved.

In particular it would need to support:
* Watching threads.
* Showing only threads with unread posts, or watched threads, or watched
threads with unread posts.
* Editor has to be up to windows standards. At least as capable and
bug-free as Notepad (so, better than the one in XNews) and preferably
better still.
* Multiple identities support. Multiple servers support. Separate
list of subscribed groups per identity.
* A quick right click "mark thread read" capability.
* The ability to easily mark a whole group read up-to-date, but
without it being too easy for this to happen accidentally.
* Wheel scrolling, and not as broken as in XNews where often you
click in the list of articles and flick the wheel and the list
doesn't scroll because it thinks you want to scroll the current
article for some reason even though both the mouse and the last
mouse click were in the other pane.
* Spellcheck, preferably able to import any customizations made to
Thunderbird's dictionary.
* Probably lots more I didn't mention.

Here, get the .1 Installer, install it, then get the .84 .EXE file
update, and replace that file only with the new one, as per the
instructions.

Fuck that. If I'm going to replace the newsreader I've used for years, a) it's going to be with one that has a proper goddamn one-click installer, not one that is U-Assemble-It complete with an IKEA instruction sheet and Allen key, and b) it's not going to be just because I was told to do so by some twerp on Usenet that has also recently called me names, a strong indication that they might not have had my best interests at heart when making their recommendation.
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