Re: Google Rules For Various Clients

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:25:32 -0800, Blinky the Shark
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Peter J Ross wrote:

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 16:26:03 -0800, Blinky the Shark
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Peter J Ross wrote:

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:55:56 -0800, Blinky the Shark
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Peter J Ross wrote:

On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:12:02 -0600, »Q« <boxcars@xxxxxxx> wrote in
news.software.readers:

Peter J Ross <pjr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
<news:slrne0gh43.6c6.pjr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Four more news clients:

Gravity 2.6 and 2.7:

It isn't possible to filter specifically on Message-ID, but a rule
for "Header" will match From, Subject, Date or MID. Since "google"
may appear in an email address or a subject, a more specific pattern
than yours is needed. Create a new rule as follows:

Header contains "googlegroups.com>"

Mark read, discard or add a negative score - whichever fits
your general filtering strategy

This looks as though it will filter too much. Will use of a "Header"
rule in Gravity not match the References header also? (I don't know,
and don't have time right now to install Gravity and test.)

No. Gravity matches only the four headers I specified (From, Subject,
Date and MID) - unless the pop-up box that appears when creating such
a rule is lying. It seemed to work well when I tested it, but I'm no

Anyone else with Gravity able to confirm that that rule will *only*
look at those four headers?

And why is the latest Gravity 2.7 build dated 2004? Is it finished? Is
there no plan to make 2.7 better than 2.5/2.6, instead of a bug-for-bug
clone, the way nvi is a bug-for-bug clone of vi?

Sidebar: If there's no way to look at any others, that's kind of hokey,
innit, to not be able to use the other headers that are available from
XOVER?

Yes, it does seem strange, but not as stange as Forté Agent, which in
version 3.2 *still* can't filter on anything but From and Subject.

That's just inexcusable.

What's inexcusable is that they charge money for it. Even Microsoft
don't charge *extra* money for OE.

Then, again, Agent's better than nothing (read OE). :)

I think that OE with either Quotefix or Korrnews might be preferable
to Agent, though I retain some nostalgic affection for Agent 1.8, teh
first version I used.

Gravity guru: I installed it specially because Blinky's post fired me
with anti-Google revolutionary enthusiasm.

To the barracades!

Dansons la Carmagnole!

My hovercraft is full of eels!

It is an ex-hovercraft. It's singing with the fleet invisible.

I'm sorry to hear that. The Lord giveth ground effect; the Lord taketh
ground effect away.

Blessed be the skirts of the Lord!

There are googlemail.com email addresses but no googlegroups.com
email addresses that I've seen, and I doubt if anybody who mentioned
googlegroups.com in a subject line would be likely to add ">" to it,
so I think this rule is fairly safe.

I'll go with it, if no new deal-killing info surfaces.

You might want to check with Frank about my tin rule too, since he
hasn't seen most of the thread and I'm not an expert tinner.

group=*
case=0
score=kill
msgid_only=*googlegroups*

That's the tin?  Okay, I'll ping him with it.

It seems an odd way of specifying headers, but tin has many other
advantages. However, my discovery of the week is (fanfare...)

I have a university BSD shell account with tin. I've tried to get it to
do news, and it refuses. But it's a tease...it makes it look like
configuration is proceeding, then all you get is a cold shower. :)

My only problem with tin is that it's very different from slrn, and
therefore difficult to learn. There isn't much incentive to try
something new and difficult when the software I'm familiar with
doesn't seem to have any deficiencies.

Have you tried using rtin to connect to localhost?

Sylpheed-Claws, which I last used about three years ago without much
satisfaction, but now seems to me to be a Linux GUI news client that can
almost compete with XNews or Dialog (unlike Pan or KNode). It can score
on any header, for instance.

I played with S-C when I penquinated four years ago.

I tok the plunge out of Windows a year later. I think 'Claws was the
first Linux client I used for Usenet, after messing about with Agent
and Xnews in WINE.

The biggest problem
I had was that if I clicked on any message headers the program went away.
Died. Poof! Gone. This was pretty much a deal-breaker. Yeah, wiped it
and reinstalled it, more than once, Or was that Sylpheed Not-Claws.
Well, I messed with both of them, at any rate, and at least one of them
did that.

Yes, it used to crash a *lot*. It also had the kind of GTK1 design
that was only marginally more pleasant to use than the Athena widgets.
Now it can be integrated quite well with KDE, and didn't crash
yesterday even when I was trying to apply new filters and retrieve new
messages at the same time.

<...>

I *am* an slrn user. Don't let the headers mislead you. :)

I know you are. I've been posting here for a while now, y'know.

Yeah, but it's hard to keep all the players on the right benches without
a scorecard. :)

I should add

X-Why-Im-Using-Pan: Fresh OS install, been too lazy to implement slrn.

A truly shark-like shark wouldn't feel a need to make excuses. You've
been mingling with mammals too much.

Here are some of them. The pictures relate very closely to their X-Faces.
Two of them used to post here in n.s.r. Can anybody name them?

http://blinkynet.net/humor/smams.html

Moose rings a bell, and the name Dave comes to mind for some reason.
Maybe it's just an association of opposites between Cancelmoose and
Dave the Resurrector.

Is the dog fLameDog?

The flea could be any one of a hundred posters I've encountered. ;-)

PJR :-)
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