Re: (Xnews) Memory Problems reading goups with millions of posts - Thanks ->>> with a P.S. for SCPO (this time no PS but read anyway if you care to)

SINNER <arcade.master@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:Xns977189E7E4752louiscypherhellorg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx:

* thanatoid wrote in news.software.readers:

From what I have so far been able to <GUESS> about you, I
have been on the net longer than you have been jerking
off. I said GUESS, OK? You may just be retarded.

Care to make that wager interesting?

How exactly do you propose we do that? Besides I SAID it was
just an assumption, although people's words DO reflect their
mental age.

[...]

No, it was correct usage. It was educated since the OP
came back and said after reading posted sugegstions, he
had made his choce. Nothing Cclice about it, merely a
fact.

About as correct as spelling cliché "Cclice" (although
you get points for being rather creative).

Another? You really don't get this Usenet thing yet.

If bad spelling and incomprehensible syntax is what Usenet
is all about, then I don't.

Oh Puhleeze. It was all very comprehendable, now your are
just ToRllinG.

Yes, comprehendable, and ToRllinG. Thanks for making me laugh.



[...]

You said _anyone_ trying to get more that 15,000
headers is not computer savy. In reality what you meant
to say was anyone with an outdated computer trying to
read immense numbers of headers into memory is not
computer savy, so next time SAY that.

1) I said "not very computer-savvy" because I didn't
want to say stupid. (After reading others' comments on
our little discourse, I see I perhaps should not have
bothered being so polite.)

I don't care _why_ you said it, you were wrong anyway.

As I said, we both have assholes and opinions. Or am I
wrong again?

You are wrong when you say that someone that is computer
saavy will not need/want to DL more than 15,000 headers at
once. That is not an opinion, it is a misguided, incorrct
statement.

You not only need a remedial writing course, you also need a
dictionary. BADLY.

Until you manage to get off the joystick long enough to buy one,
FYI:

Noun: opinion
1. A personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or
certainty
2. A belief or sentiment shared by most people; the voice of the
people
3. A message expressing a belief about something; the expression
of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated
by positive knowledge or proof
4. The legal document stating the reasons for a judicial
decision
5. The reason for a court's judgment (as opposed to the decision
itself)
6. A vague idea in which some confidence is placed
[WordWeb.info]

Anyone who wants to DL a million headers no matter what
program or platform or processor or memory they have is
stupid, OK? Just my opinion. (I AM allowed an opinion, I
hope, even though I am writing this on a 166MMX?)

You are obviously a moron. People that regularly download
binaries often DL 1 million headers. You are allowed an
opinion, but it is misinformed.

Except for pleasant time-wasting such as this, I only dl
binaries and I have never needed to dl anywhere near that
number of headers.

You also haven't needed a PC that is a current hardware
spec. For the 15th time, Your scenario is NOT the common
one and your opinions are all based on your very tiny
world.

If you know how to enter another person's consciousness,
abandoning your own, and see the world THEIR way, I am sure
humanity would be very grateful to you for sharing that
knowledge. And no, doing lots of drugs doesn't count.

But then again I looked at the entire 100K+ group list to
see what I was interested in when setting up my
newsreader, I am aware of the existence of the "catch up
and purge" feature, and I am at my computer hours and
hours every day, I know that quality is more important
than quantity (i.e. most of what is posted anywhere is not
worth dl'g), and I am familiar with the concept of
organization and the fact that almost everything gets
reposted sooner or later anyway.

So, while you MAY be right that people OFTEN dl a million
headers, most people in the world are also idiots.

So, first I was wrong, but now I am right and we are all
idiots and only you know the golden way? Kewl, just want to
make sure I understand who things work in your world.

I can't even follow this crap.

And the reason I believe this is because I know that
basic rules of simple logic and reason apply to
everything in the universe - even if you happen to be
running an AlienWare computer with 2 4GB processors and
12GB of RAM with a pre-release pirate copy of Vista.

Hehe, I have a 1.2 ghz AMD Thunderbird, real modern
hardware.

I was not talking about you. I used "you" in the sense of
"one", sorry. For someone with your machine, you sure are
a great champion for the latest technology though. Haven't
you noticed that your machine does everything you need
just as mine does for me?

That was the WINDOWS machine I was refering to since we
were discussing windows software. I also have a Linux
Laptop with a 2.4 GHZ Mobile and 512 megs of ram that runs
Linux. Are you keeping up?

Are you PERMANENTLY on crack? How the *** is anyone supposed to
know how many computers you have and how many run what and what
their specs are? For the record, I told you exactly what I have
and why I have it and why I am satisfied with it.

2) If it works and does everything one needs, it is not
outdated. There are people smarter than either one of us
who still use DOS because they feel it is better than
anything else.

You missed the point. How I am not sure. I will try and
make this simple for you, Your hardware is far from
normal. Telling someone they are not computer savvy
because YOUR hardware cant handle it is borderline
retarded.

What the *** constitutes "normal" hardware? Are you
insane?

Normal is what you can go out to any computer store and buy
TODAY. Sample 1000 computer users and see how many of them
have hardware newer than yours, that would be normal. How
is that insane?

You ARE the perfect product of the consumer society.

You prefer waiting 3 minutes for your machine to boot and
all the time you lose waiting for programs to run, or even
finding programs that will run on your outdated,
unsupported software/hardware. THAT is insane!

I will bet anything my machine boots faster than yours and runs
every program I have on it faster than yours (with the exception
of music file conversion which is what I bought the 2nd machine
for).


-- -- --

^What the hell is that?

It's a divider to help you get less confused by a text
document of more than a 100 words. It didn't seem to help.

Its useless fodder, it didnt help because it is
superfluorious and you add it arbitrarily. You are aweful
at insults as well. Usenet really isnt for you.

"Superfluorious"??? Are we talking about dental care now?

Why do you think XNews has an "incremental
retrieval" box (press Ctl-Enter when entering a
group and if it has a lot of unread articles, you
will see it)?

Uhm because Luu thought it was a good feature? Most
if not all newsreaders worth their weight have the
same or similar features.

a) And WHY is it a good feature?

Choice is ALWAY A Good Thing [tm]. You just said you
have a hard time looking through 250,000 headers so
what do you do when you encounter such a group and
CANNOT do that?

Besides its hundreds of great semi-documented
features, Xnews does it and that's why I won't use
anything else. As I said before, I download 10-30K at
a time and that works JUST FINE for me. Xnews' default
is 15K, BTW. Not 250K and not one million. Ponder that
one.

Again, you negelect answering the question put forth.

Your original paragraph (from "Choice" to "do that?") is
a little hard to understand. I answered the best I
could.

Talk about fighting with a broken stick!

It is your stick that is getting more and more frayed. I
prefer to use logic in my arguments.

So when will you start?

Again, thanks for making me laugh out loud. I don't mind telling
you my life blows and you are providing some VERY welcome comic
relief.

You asked WHY having a feature that allows you to choose
how many headers to dl is a good thing. My number one
reason was Choice and then I proceed to ask you what
_you_ would do when you encounter a group with a number
if headers that is too much for you wrap your little head
around if your reader of choice did _not_ have that
feature.

You neglected to answer, again.

If you read my paragraph again (try to concentrate this
time)

Careful, that hole you are digging is getting deeper...

I wasn't aware I was digging a hole.

I know, thats why I warned you. I am a pretty nice guy
arent I?

Tell me where you live, maybe we can go to a movie "or
something".

There already are enough in
your brain. And I guess concentrating is not something you
are able to do. Nor is asking someone to concentrate
usually considered an insult. Well, maybe in your case.


Yup, you are getting weaker with each post. Instead of
answering the questions you do nothing but insult...

YOU started with the insults. (You probably thought "prig" was a
misspelling of prick but it isn't. DICTIONARY!)

Not to mention that your entire first post to me was totally
unnecessary. But since you appear intent on keeping this going
until one of us dies, I am just trying to modify my posts to
adjust to your level. It's hard, but I'm trying.

you will see that it is an answer - to the extent that I
managed to make sense of the question. To spell it out
for you, I dump the piece of *** that can't do the job
and I use something which can.

Except you asked Why its a good feature now you tell us
all you'd dump a product without it. Which is it?

I'm sorry, I can't dumb down my writing style so you can
follow it.

You need to dumb yourself down to understand your own
writing. I read and comprehend just find. Youve been all
over the place and cant even keep up with your own
diatribes nor answer any questions. Sorry I fluster you so,
maybe you should take a day off before you respond.

Again, laughing out loud. (I suppose not typing LOL is another
reason I should be forcibly barred from the Usenet, huh?)

Why do you make claims and then refuse to back them up?

Be more specific. AFAIAC, the next paragraph answers
that question more than adequately.

GrabIt (quite popular
recently) can't, for one. I am not going to try every
stupid newsreader just to come up with exact
statistics for the sake of proving a generalization.
And I have no Mac or Linux experience.

Then why make a sweeping generalization if you cant
back it up?

YOU said "Most if not all newsreaders worth their weight
have the same or similar features." Sounds like a
sweeping generalization to me. The six or so newsreaders
I have tried were SURPRISINGLY different both in
philosophy and features.

But I bet they all have the ability to select all or some
headers to be downloaded, or didn't you check before
telling me I am wrong. My statement is made from
experience, something you obviously lack in the
newsreader world.

I am glad you have the time and patience to try every newsreader
there is for every platform. But I guess they figured out some
time ago that it's pointless to actually try to make you do any
actual work in the office.

IIRC, GrabIt doesn't, all others do, but they either
require IE/OE to be installed

What the *** are you talking about?

I am surprised you don't know this, but there are some ersatz
browsers/newsreaders which will not run unless IE5 or higher is
installed. But please don't ask me for names, I can't remember
them. I'm sure you can find the time to do some research.

since they run on their engine or have
other stupid flaws, or are simply overpriced when Xnews is
better and free. (Although I paid Luu a decent chunk of
money for it anyway.)

Most intelligent people realize that, however
unfortunate, generalizations are almost impossible to
avoid at some point or another in any conversation, but
they are aware of the associated problems.

Problem is, yours was wrong, mine is backed up with fact.

DICTIONARY!!!! NOW!!!!!!!

Only in your highly-distorted perception of reality.

Nope, please back up your statement. I can.

Don't just say it, do it! I can't wait!


Among other things, conversations consist of facts,
opinions, and generalizations. All those come in form of
statements. I do not "refuse" to back up statements. No
one can back up every single thing they say and
demanding that every statement be "backed up" by facts
is immature and nonsensical.

No. Making a claim as if you are an authority, being
called on it and not backing up your claim is
nonsensical.

Why do you keep on calling me an authority?

Becasue you make statements that insinuate that you are yet
you know nothing about the topics you are debating.

If you permit me the immodesty of quoting myself:

1) "I have no Mac or Linux experience."
2) "Linux is too complicated for me to get into (...)"
3) "It took me years to get (Windows) running right."
4) "There are people smarter than either one of us (...)"
5) "I worded that sentence clumsily."
6) "(...) and if I weren't too lazy to learn Linux (...)"
7) "I am neither an authority or the smartest person in the
world (or this group)."

Yes, I must really think I am a MAJOR computing authority. GET
THAT DICTIONARY NOW AND LOOK UP "AUTHORITY"!

I am neither an
authority or the smartest person in the world (or this
group). Relax, will you?

On this we can certainly agree.

So why do you keep on whining that I speak like the ultimate
authority on computers? How insecure ARE you? It's called
opinions. (Again, see def. provided above.)

No one has tried every newsreader there is and
no one knows everything and half or more of everything
you hear and read are lies and fabrications. Truth is a
rare commodity, in the computer industry as much as
anywhere else.

There are websites that have as their tasks to review
such pieces of software, not to mention Usenet groups
dedicated to discussion of said software. Look Up.

http://www.newsreaders.com

Been there. So you trust reviewers more than your own
brain? Actually, in your case, that may not be a bad thing
to do.

Again, WTF are you taking about, we are have a FEATURE
discussion, opinions mean NOTHING. The reader either has
the feature or dosent, it is either useful of not. Youve
been on both sides of the fence, isnt your *** starting to
hurt?

Again, thanks for a good laugh. "We are have"? Is English your
first language? Because I am beginning to suspect it may not be,
in which case I owe you an apology. Seriously.

As I have said repeatedly, I have no time or inclination to
experiment with every newsreader out there. I can't think of a
SINGLE feature Xnews lacks, and I know it has many I have yet to
stumble upon. (I don't use Word - or whatever - for spell
checking, I have an all-purpose spell check program that works
in everything - as could everyone who instead prefers to bitch
about no spell checker in Xnews. The last time I installed
Office on my machine was when I had to design a database in
Access and after I was done I deleted it right away.)

Although, again, that sentence is probably something I
should not have bothered responding to.

Certainly not in that way.

Excuse me for hurting your feelings, flower princess.

You are such a waste of effort. Youve become UnFun.

So why do you keep writing? Are you developing a love/hate crush
on me? And when did I promise to be Fun? I am an awful person,
haven't you realized it yet?

Well, I guess you'd better just come over and kill
me for not allowing the corporations to shove their
latest bloated overpriced crap down my throat when
everything I want, I can do just fine with my
machine, and faster than you.

[above you discuss software]

Nice assumption, but incorrect. I was talking about
both.

Assumption? Do you read what you write?

You either have the attention span of a daffodil or have
simply lost yourself in this argument.

You are the absolute worst debater I have ever had the
pleasure to thrash. THe only luser here is you and it is
all in plain text and available on G2 for all to see. Save
the MID's for your kids, if you ever spawn.

You can relax, I have no kids and will never have any.
And as further proof of me not being an authority (while
committing the awful crime of allowing myself to have opinions),
I have no idea what G2 or MID stand for. Anyway, I am not
ashamed of what I am writing. I would be x-no archiving
otherwise.

No
normal person "needs" a dual 4GB machine yet people have
them.

And what corporation is shoving that down your throat? A
software Company. The hardware is not bloated and only
necessary if your needs require it. If your time is worth
less than a few hundred dollars to upgrade, that is your
choice, again, a good thing.

Even Intel and AMD have admitted that processor speeds
have gone beyond anything reasonably required and are have
changed their manner of identifying them because the
numbers have become meaningless. Still, some people like
to trade in last year's model for a brand-new car every
year.

Tell that to Cray, Pixar, Disney et al. You are a fool. You
know every possible applicatioin of CPU power. Clustering
is a waste? Really, give up now, do yourself a favor and
save the emabaressment (likely to late for that...)

I said 'NORMAL PERSON". Like you or me at home, wasting time
doing this. I was not talking about multinationals or telco's or
ISP's or Pixar. Really grasping at straws, aren't you?

Just like almost no one REALLY needs M$ Office (let

Your right, Open Office is fine and free.

Which does not make it any more necessary for a normal
person to have than M$ Office.

Here we go again. Preaching to the choir....

For example, judging by your communication
so far, you probably don't even know how to set up tabs or
styles let alone know how to create a custom database from
scratch.

LOL, How could you possibly make such rediculous
assumptions. I work for a company that produces Finacial
softwaree backed by MSSQL, Pervasive and Oracle DB's
written in languges from Magic to C to Java. I am the SME
for 10 of these products and liase directly with the
programmers and customers, You?

"Finacial"? "Softwaree"? Do you have softwaree jamborees?
Assuming you aren't just lying, you must have a very good (and
VERY patient) secretary that types communications for you, or
you would have been fired ages ago. And how you ever got the job
is a mystery only your obviously delusional boss can answer.

How is hardware bloated?

A 4GB processor is a bloat in its own way.

In its own way? What a fucking douche.

Yes, like you are an idiot in your own charming way.

See above. Of course,
in a few years you will probably have the option of buying
a 20GB processor. Will it help you to make typos faster?

So its your argument that even though its available, no one
will need it? Like I said, do you still use a B&W TV and
Rotary Phone, neiter is obsolete in that they both still
work, right?

SOME people will need it but not everyone. Why do you keep on
sticking to your juvenile attitudes and harassing me?

Adjective: obsolete
1. Old; no longer in use or valid or fashionable
2. No longer in use
[WordWeb.info]

It may be old and unfashionable, but AFAIAC if it does what I
want it to do, it's not obsolete. (That was an opinion, see
definition provided above.) Someday soon, when the *** really
hits the fan, you will regret having thrown that typewriter out.
(If you had one in the first place, which come to think of it,
is doubtful.)

and my hat's off to you for that. Linux is too
complicated for me to get into and anyway, after
hundreds of hours of tweaking (admittedly unfortunate
yet necessary),

Not Necessary.

Let's just agree to differ. You really must be every
retailer's dream client.

You are hilarious. You have contradicted yourself on just
about every point you've attempted, this one is no
different. Up here we discuss that it is not necessary to
spend HOURS tweaking Linux (A NON Consumer OS) and you
tell me I am a retailers dream?! And then you proceed to
below tell us it takes _MONTHS_ for you to get Windows
running correctly.

Jeezus. This is ALL I ever said about Linux:

"Decide whether you are talking about hardware or
software. Obviously, since you do not use OE, it is not a
big surprise you use Linux, and my hat's off to you for
that. Linux is too complicated for me to get into and
anyway, after hundreds of hours of tweaking (admittedly
unfortunate yet necessary), I get along with 95B on a
166MMX/64MB/33.6 for the internet and a 2GB Pentium with
98SE Lite for real work (and no internet connection) just
fine. I bet your processor is not a Pentium 90, is it?"

Yeah, and?


Will you at least try to keep track on who you are writing
to? Or get off crack for long enough to come up with a
decent logical argument?

You still dont get it even though I spelled it out clear as
day.

You claim Linux is hard, you spent HOURS twaeakin
You LOVE windows but it takes you MONTHS to tweak

HOURS<WEEKS which stands to reason that while you claim
linux is to hard for you, your stament says otherwise, just
like the rest of your drivel.

Where DO you get your drugs? Must be a very potent variety.
AGAIN, I never said anything about Linux taking hours to set up.
I know NOTHING ABOUT IT and I don't know HOW LONG it takes to
set up. ***!!! Can you even READ??? (It being patently obvious
you can barely write a coherent sentence without at least one
misspelled word.)

And I FAR from love Windows, but since I have managed (after a
lot of tweaking) to get it to work the way it should out of the
box, I have no major issues with it. (Not with my versions,
anyway. I will certainly never put XP or Vista on any of my
machines.)

[snip becasue I just got tired of making you look lie a
fool over and over and over]

Since you could not leave bad enough alone, I guess you
are enjoying this pointless exchange as much as I am.
Let's keep on, then. This is actually getting more and
more amusing.

Yes, to everyone in here seeing how stupid you really are.

I would LOVE to see poll results (from among those who have
enough time to waste to follow this discussion) as to who is
stupider. I admit I am stupid for ever having replied to you in
the first place, but I hate to tell you buddy, you're no genius.
You'd better make sure your bosses never read any of your posts.

Anyway, until the next time...
How's the weather in your parts these days?
t.
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