Re: (Xnews) Memory Problems reading goups with millions of posts - Thanks ->>> with a P.S. for SCPO (this time no PS but read anyway if you care to)

* thanatoid wrote in news.software.readers:

SINNER <99nesorjd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:25drc3xm3b.ln2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:


[...]


From what I have so far been able to <GUESS> about you, I have
been on the net longer than you have been jerking off. I said
GUESS, OK? You may just be retarded.

Care to make that wager interesting?


[...]

No, it was correct usage. It was educated since the OP
came back and said after reading posted sugegstions, he
had made his choce. Nothing Cclice about it, merely a
fact.

About as correct as spelling cliché "Cclice" (although you
get points for being rather creative).

Another? You really don't get this Usenet thing yet.

If bad spelling and incomprehensible syntax is what Usenet is
all about, then I don't.

Oh Puhleeze. It was all very comprehendable, now your are just ToRllinG.


[...]

You said _anyone_ trying to get more that 15,000 headers
is not computer savy. In reality what you meant to say
was anyone with an outdated computer trying to read
immense numbers of headers into memory is not computer
savy, so next time SAY that.

1) I said "not very computer-savvy" because I didn't want
to say stupid. (After reading others' comments on our
little discourse, I see I perhaps should not have bothered
being so polite.)

I don't care _why_ you said it, you were wrong anyway.

As I said, we both have assholes and opinions. Or am I wrong
again?

You are wrong when you say that someone that is computer saavy will not
need/want to DL more than 15,000 headers at once. That is not an opinion,
it is a misguided, incorrct statement.


Anyone who wants to DL a million headers no matter what
program or platform or processor or memory they have is
stupid, OK? Just my opinion. (I AM allowed an opinion, I
hope, even though I am writing this on a 166MMX?)

You are obviously a moron. People that regularly download
binaries often DL 1 million headers. You are allowed an
opinion, but it is misinformed.

Except for pleasant time-wasting such as this, I only dl
binaries and I have never needed to dl anywhere near that number
of headers.

You also haven't needed a PC that is a current hardware spec. For the 15th
time, Your scenario is NOT the common one and your opinions are all based
on your very tiny world.


But then again I looked at the entire 100K+ group list to see
what I was interested in when setting up my newsreader, I am
aware of the existence of the "catch up and purge" feature, and
I am at my computer hours and hours every day, I know that
quality is more important than quantity (i.e. most of what is
posted anywhere is not worth dl'g), and I am familiar with the
concept of organization and the fact that almost everything gets
reposted sooner or later anyway.

So, while you MAY be right that people OFTEN dl a million
headers, most people in the world are also idiots.

So, first I was wrong, but now I am right and we are all idiots and only
you know the golden way? Kewl, just want to make sure I understand who
things work in your world.


And the reason I believe this is because I know that basic
rules of simple logic and reason apply to everything in
the universe - even if you happen to be running an
AlienWare computer with 2 4GB processors and 12GB of RAM
with a pre-release pirate copy of Vista.

Hehe, I have a 1.2 ghz AMD Thunderbird, real modern
hardware.

I was not talking about you. I used "you" in the sense of "one",
sorry. For someone with your machine, you sure are a great
champion for the latest technology though. Haven't you noticed
that your machine does everything you need just as mine does for
me?

That was the WINDOWS machine I was refering to since we were discussing
windows software. I also have a Linux Laptop with a 2.4 GHZ Mobile and 512
megs of ram that runs Linux. Are you keeping up?


2) If it works and does everything one needs, it is not
outdated. There are people smarter than either one of us
who still use DOS because they feel it is better than
anything else.

You missed the point. How I am not sure. I will try and
make this simple for you, Your hardware is far from normal.
Telling someone they are not computer savvy because YOUR
hardware cant handle it is borderline retarded.

What the *** constitutes "normal" hardware? Are you insane?

Normal is what you can go out to any computer store and buy TODAY. Sample
1000 computer users and see how many of them have hardware newer than
yours, that would be normal. How is that insane?

You prefer waiting 3 minutes for your machine to boot and all the time you
lose waiting for programs to run, or even finding programs that will run on
your outdated, unsupported software/hardware. THAT is insane!


-- -- --

^What the hell is that?

It's a divider to help you get less confused by a text document
of more than a 100 words. It didn't seem to help.

Its useless fodder, it didnt help because it is superfluorious and you add
it arbitrarily. You are aweful at insults as well. Usenet really isnt for
you.


[...]


Why do you think XNews has an "incremental
retrieval" box (press Ctl-Enter when entering a
group and if it has a lot of unread articles, you
will see it)?

Uhm because Luu thought it was a good feature? Most
if not all newsreaders worth their weight have the
same or similar features.

a) And WHY is it a good feature?

Choice is ALWAY A Good Thing [tm]. You just said you
have a hard time looking through 250,000 headers so
what do you do when you encounter such a group and
CANNOT do that?

Besides its hundreds of great semi-documented features,
Xnews does it and that's why I won't use anything else.
As I said before, I download 10-30K at a time and that
works JUST FINE for me. Xnews' default is 15K, BTW. Not
250K and not one million. Ponder that one.

Again, you negelect answering the question put forth.

Your original paragraph (from "Choice" to "do that?") is a
little hard to understand. I answered the best I could.

Talk about fighting with a broken stick!

It is your stick that is getting more and more frayed. I prefer
to use logic in my arguments.

So when will you start?


You asked WHY having a feature that allows you to choose
how many headers to dl is a good thing. My number one
reason was Choice and then I proceed to ask you what _you_
would do when you encounter a group with a number if
headers that is too much for you wrap your little head
around if your reader of choice did _not_ have that
feature.

You neglected to answer, again.

If you read my paragraph again (try to concentrate this
time)

Careful, that hole you are digging is getting deeper...

I wasn't aware I was digging a hole.

I know, thats why I warned you. I am a pretty nice guy arent I?


There already are enough in
your brain. And I guess concentrating is not something you are
able to do. Nor is asking someone to concentrate usually
considered an insult. Well, maybe in your case.


Yup, you are getting weaker with each post. Instead of answering the
questions you do nothing but insult...


you will see that it is an answer - to the extent that I
managed to make sense of the question. To spell it out for
you, I dump the piece of *** that can't do the job and I
use something which can.

Except you asked Why its a good feature now you tell us all
you'd dump a product without it. Which is it?

I'm sorry, I can't dumb down my writing style so you can follow
it.

You need to dumb yourself down to understand your own writing. I read and
comprehend just find. Youve been all over the place and cant even keep up
with your own diatribes nor answer any questions. Sorry I fluster you so,
maybe you should take a day off before you respond.

[...]


Why do you make claims and then refuse to back them up?

Be more specific. AFAIAC, the next paragraph answers that
question more than adequately.

GrabIt (quite popular
recently) can't, for one. I am not going to try every
stupid newsreader just to come up with exact statistics
for the sake of proving a generalization. And I have no
Mac or Linux experience.

Then why make a sweeping generalization if you cant back
it up?

YOU said "Most if not all newsreaders worth their weight
have the same or similar features." Sounds like a sweeping
generalization to me. The six or so newsreaders I have
tried were SURPRISINGLY different both in philosophy and
features.

But I bet they all have the ability to select all or some
headers to be downloaded, or didn't you check before
telling me I am wrong. My statement is made from
experience, something you obviously lack in the newsreader
world.

IIRC, GrabIt doesn't, all others do, but they either require
IE/OE to be installed

What the *** are you talking about?

since they run on their engine or have
other stupid flaws, or are simply overpriced when Xnews is
better and free. (Although I paid Luu a decent chunk of money
for it anyway.)

Most intelligent people realize that, however unfortunate,
generalizations are almost impossible to avoid at some
point or another in any conversation, but they are aware
of the associated problems.

Problem is, yours was wrong, mine is backed up with fact.

Only in your highly-distorted perception of reality.


Nope, please back up your statement. I can.

Among other things, conversations consist of facts,
opinions, and generalizations. All those come in form of
statements. I do not "refuse" to back up statements. No
one can back up every single thing they say and demanding
that every statement be "backed up" by facts is immature
and nonsensical.

No. Making a claim as if you are an authority, being called
on it and not backing up your claim is nonsensical.

Why do you keep on calling me an authority?

Becasue you make statements that insinuate that you are yet you know
nothing about the topics you are debating.

I am neither an
authority or the smartest person in the world (or this group).
Relax, will you?

On this we can certainly agree.


No one has tried every newsreader there is and
no one knows everything and half or more of everything you
hear and read are lies and fabrications. Truth is a rare
commodity, in the computer industry as much as anywhere
else.

There are websites that have as their tasks to review such
pieces of software, not to mention Usenet groups dedicated
to discussion of said software. Look Up.

http://www.newsreaders.com

Been there. So you trust reviewers more than your own brain?
Actually, in your case, that may not be a bad thing to do.

Again, WTF are you taking about, we are have a FEATURE discussion, opinions
mean NOTHING. The reader either has the feature or dosent, it is either
useful of not. Youve been on both sides of the fence, isnt your ***
starting to hurt?


Although, again, that sentence is probably something I
should not have bothered responding to.

Certainly not in that way.

Excuse me for hurting your feelings, flower princess.

You are such a waste of effort. Youve become UnFun.


Well, I guess you'd better just come over and kill me
for not allowing the corporations to shove their
latest bloated overpriced crap down my throat when
everything I want, I can do just fine with my machine,
and faster than you.

[above you discuss software]

Nice assumption, but incorrect. I was talking about both.

Assumption? Do you read what you write?

You either have the attention span of a daffodil or have simply
lost yourself in this argument.

You are the absolute worst debater I have ever had the pleasure to thrash.
THe only luser here is you and it is all in plain text and available on G2
for all to see. Save the MID's for your kids, if you ever spawn.


No
normal person "needs" a dual 4GB machine yet people have
them.

And what corporation is shoving that down your throat? A
software Company. The hardware is not bloated and only
necessary if your needs require it. If your time is worth
less than a few hundred dollars to upgrade, that is your
choice, again, a good thing.

Even Intel and AMD have admitted that processor speeds have gone
beyond anything reasonably required and are have changed their
manner of identifying them because the numbers have become
meaningless. Still, some people like to trade in last year's
model for a brand-new car every year.

Tell that to Cray, Pixar, Disney et al. You are a fool. You know every
possible applicatioin of CPU power. Clustering is a waste? Really, give up
now, do yourself a favor and save the emabaressment (likely to late for
that...)


Just like almost no one REALLY needs M$ Office (let

Your right, Open Office is fine and free.

Which does not make it any more necessary for a normal person to
have than M$ Office.

Here we go again. Preaching to the choir....

For example, judging by your communication
so far, you probably don't even know how to set up tabs or
styles let alone know how to create a custom database from
scratch.

LOL, How could you possibly make such rediculous assumptions. I work for a
company that produces Finacial softwaree backed by MSSQL, Pervasive and
Oracle DB's written in languges from Magic to C to Java. I am the SME for
10 of these products and liase directly with the programmers and customers,
You?

[...]


How is hardware bloated?

A 4GB processor is a bloat in its own way.

In its own way? What a fucking douche.

See above. Of course,
in a few years you will probably have the option of buying a
20GB processor. Will it help you to make typos faster?

So its your argument that even though its available, no one will need it?
Like I said, do you still use a B&W TV and Rotary Phone, neiter is obsolete
in that they both still work, right?


and my hat's off to you for that. Linux is too
complicated for me to get into and anyway, after
hundreds of hours of tweaking (admittedly unfortunate
yet necessary),

Not Necessary.

Let's just agree to differ. You really must be every
retailer's dream client.

You are hilarious. You have contradicted yourself on just
about every point you've attempted, this one is no
different. Up here we discuss that it is not necessary to
spend HOURS tweaking Linux (A NON Consumer OS) and you tell
me I am a retailers dream?! And then you proceed to below
tell us it takes _MONTHS_ for you to get Windows running
correctly.

Jeezus. This is ALL I ever said about Linux:

"Decide whether you are talking about hardware or software.
Obviously, since you do not use OE, it is not a big surprise you
use Linux, and my hat's off to you for that. Linux is too
complicated for me to get into and anyway, after hundreds of
hours of tweaking (admittedly unfortunate yet necessary), I get
along with 95B on a 166MMX/64MB/33.6 for the internet and a 2GB
Pentium with 98SE Lite for real work (and no internet
connection) just fine. I bet your processor is not a Pentium 90,
is it?"

Yeah, and?


Will you at least try to keep track on who you are writing to?
Or get off crack for long enough to come up with a decent
logical argument?

You still dont get it even though I spelled it out clear as day.

You claim Linux is hard, you spent HOURS twaeakin
You LOVE windows but it takes you MONTHS to tweak

HOURS<WEEKS which stands to reason that while you claim linux is to hard
for you, your stament says otherwise, just like the rest of your drivel.


[snip becasue I just got tired of making you look lie a fool over and over
and over]


Since you could not leave bad enough alone, I guess you are
enjoying this pointless exchange as much as I am. Let's keep on,
then. This is actually getting more and more amusing.

Yes, to everyone in here seeing how stupid you really are.

--
David
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