Re: Who's trippin' down the streets of the city


Please stop making posts unreadable, Sylvia.


And it came to pass that Sylvia <sylvia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


In article <Xns99BA761F8306Bcrinkles@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
gekko <gekko@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Note that to rip a huge tree out of the ground and hurl it
the length of a football field, especially with the drag
of
'damaging cars along the way' before landing it on top of
his car, Haddad's Fantasy Hurricane would need the
strength of a CAT 5 hurricane: winds at *over* 155 MPH. "
-- Sylvia
.
I did not see a cite for that presumed fact,
<...>

I included a quote and a cite, but you snipped both.

No, you did not provide a quote or a cite that backs up your claim,
Sylvia. Your cite (which I moved to later in my own post to support
my commentary) did not appear to support the fact that a "huge" tree
requires winds of over 155 mph to be ripped out of the ground and
"hurled" the length of a football field with a drag (capable) of
damaging cars. There was no quote from that cite
(http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/research/roth/valate20hur.htm)

The quotes you provided were from Ed Rhodes and Ray Haddad.

So, if you have some specific quote from that citation claiming that
only Cat 5 hurricane winds are capable of "ripping" "huge" trees from
the ground and "hurling" them with a "drag" capable of damaging cars,
I would appreciate it if you could please provide that quote here,
and dispense with the other quotes from Ray, from Ed, from Jackson,
and from your earlier posts.

If you cannot do that, or choose not to, that's fine. We'll end the
discussion at this point. Let me know.

The cite and quote you provided:
" --Excerpt, Ray Haddad lies about Saving an Aircraft
Carrier from Hurricane http://tinyurl.com/yo5gwu "

Yes, you love to quote old Ray posts but I really can't be bothered
to go back into reading google groups to see Ray's words again and
again. I'm more interested in this discussion.

If you could please quote exactly the official language from the
nited States Government's National Oceanic & Atmospheric
Administration, or other source, where they make the claim that only
category 5 force winds can perform the actions the tree in Ray's
story performed?

One will note that your quoted material did not specify the size of
the tree, nor the extent of the damage. A "clearly defined path" may
consist of scratches, dings, leaves, branches, and dirt. Damage may
be as significant as total destruction, or as insignificant as a bent
mirror, cracked window, scratched quarter panel.

Your own paragraph requires a "huge" tree that was "hurled" (rather
than dragged), and you suggest the damage to the cars has to have
been severe.

<snip irrelevant material that has nothing whatsoever to do with the
strength of wind required to cause a tree to be uprooted and moved
along a path of 100 yards or more, showing its path and causing
damage to vehicles that it encountered>

<also snip irrelevancies concerning whatever it is you are discussing
with Jackson as I am interested only in your contention, Sylvia, that
only category 5 hurricane force winds are capable of uprooting a tree
and moving it along a path of 100 yards or more, causing damage to
vehicles along its path.>


<...>
An item being flung about in a wind storm, even as small as 5
lbs, can inflict notable, insurance-collecting damage to a car,

<staring>

<snip irrelevancies added simply to be contentious and returning to
the topic at hand>


It is therefore feasible for a tree of undetermined size to be
uprooted, to be dragged or flung some distance and to inflict
some undetermined level of damage to more than one car-sized
structure as it goes.

A statement so vague that it could apply to a garden gnome (who
lives in the blue house and drinks coffee) under the force of a
gorilla (who smokes Pall Malls). Requisite Haddadian "ambiguous"
weasel, mebbe?

I don't know. We're talking trees, Sylvia. Whether "a tree" (note
lack of size specified) can be uprooted and cause damage to multiple
vehicles while being dragged some distance (100 yards or more?). You
narrowed it into a "huge" tree that was "hurled", but I failed to see
anything to qualify "huge" or "hurled." Lacking your own reference
material, and using only the material I have at hand, I have
demonstrated that trees can be uprooted from less than 60mph winds,
and moved at least 10 yards, causing damage to cars that could be
claimed on insurance forms (I arbitrarily chose that to define
"damage", although one would note that a mere scratch in the paint is
also "damage.").

I concluded that Ray's story was feasible, given the words he used.

Using your own words, it is still feasible because you failed to
specify "huge" and "hurled". I could contend that "huge" is relative
to a 63 inch person and, depending on her perspective, could be a 20
foot tree. "hurled" is also soft.



Ray Haddad: "When I got back, I discovered a tree had fallen
smack
into the middle of my car which was parked
over 100 yards from the tree"

A tree. Not a "huge" tree.


Miz Sylvia: " [<raising one petite eyebrow> A *three
hundred* foot tree fell on his car?

Yes, it's fun to play those games with imprecise language -- I've
done it myself many a time, so have fun -- but you have not yet
provided me the proof that a tree cannot be uprooted by winds from
less-than-category-5-hurricane-strength, and moved along a path of
100 yards or more.


I could even see a moderately sized tree being whipped along for
100 yards through a parking lot, scraping and denting as it goes,

<amused>
<snippage of more of Sylvia's fun with Ray's word choices, that have
no bearing on this discussion>



only to be dropped when the wind shifted, across a car.

And after the wind shifted... what?

Shifted direction. As winds do in the real world where real people
speak in real words that have multiple uses, Sylvia.

Meanwhile, shall we return to my post?

Please provide the exact quotations wherein the US government has
demonstrated that a tree can only be uprooted and moved by cat 5
hurricane force winds.

Thank you.



--
gekko

How can you govern a nation which has 246 kinds of cheese? -- Charles
de Gaulle
.

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