Re: When RAY HADDAD Performed SEAL Tricks of the Trade


"Doug Reese" <dreese@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Jul 24, 3:12 am, "Jackson Pillock" <jack...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Doug Reese" <dre...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Jul 24, 1:31 am, "Jackson Pillock" <jack...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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<curled up in Comfy Chair, enjoying post-breakfast nap>

<(Official) MW Backchannel Gossip Hotline rings>

<annoyed>

What, dammit? This had better be Top Grade gossip!

<blink!>

No! Really? OMG! How cool is that? I had just got to wonderin'
myself!
'K, gotta go, thenk yew! Yo! Sir Harvey! Stop the presses!

Sir Harvey: "What presses? What the heck are you goin' on
about?"

Oh, never mind, just fire up MW--it's cookin'!

Mr. Reese wrote:

"Jackson Pillock" wrote:
Doug Reese wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:31 am, Ray Haddad <rhad...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Doug Reese wrote:
On Jul 23, 6:37 am, Ray Haddad <rhad...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
"Jackson Pillock" wrote:
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Oh, and in case you missed my recent comments,Kerrydidn't
shoot
anyone in the back, armed or otherwise. Although that 27 year
old
VC
was indeed armed.

I didn't miss them. Eyewitness reports state otherwise but you
discount eyewitness reports favoring reports from an enemy
source.
Your choice. Seems to be your way of doing things. Find the
enemy
and ask them. Surely THEY will tell the truth. Right?

Sorry Ray, but I was there. And when I say "there", I mean with
feet
on the ground, on the scene that morning, February 28, 1969,
along
the
Dong Cung Canal.

OMG. That *is* yew! Late last night I saw that off-hand remark ya
made
to Haddad and... ummmm...

<blushing>

[ FLASHBACK ]

Mr. Reese: " And as you probably know already, I don't need to
get my information about this incident from
books
newspaper articles and the like."

Miz Sylvia: " <considering>

"OMG! Are *you* JohnKerry?!"

[/ FLASHBACK ]

<cough!>

Anyway, I got to wonderin' what you were referrin' to. What had I
missed
(amongst all them posts) that ya said to Haddad that would later
elicit
that remark? I wondered if you had also received Haddad's "You have
a
lot more to lose than I do" threats.

It being' late an all, I decided to put my curiosity on a back
burner
until I finished replyin' to Mr. Pillock and posted my reply to him
this
mornin'... after my post-breakfast nap, of course.

So, here I am, and I googled on yer name andVietnamand... well, boy,
howdy, Mr. Reese!

Excuse me asking--I have no reason to suppose you're lying, but
that
is
a
remarkable claim.

Quite a change from them totally ridiculous Haddadian Military
Adventure
Claims, innit.

Do you have any way of supporting it?
.
Sure -- just Google me. AddVietnam(and/or JohnKerry) to my name, or
you'll have to wade through a couple of other Doug Reeses.
.
Or you could go to a library and me up in Unfit for Command, as I'm
in
there. Don't buy the damn thing, though.

Second reference I hit with Google:
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An excerpt from Unfit for Command, pages 82-84:

"According to Doug Reese, a pro-KerryArmy veteran, and many
others, what happened that day differs from the retelling in the
citation. Far from being alone, the boasts were loaded with many
soldiers commanded by Reese and two other advisors. When fired at,
Reese's boat -- notKerry's-- was the first to beach in the ambush
zone. Then Reese and other troops and advisors (notKerry)
disembarked,
killing a number of Viet Cong and capturing a number of weapons.

"None of the participants from Reese's boat received any Silver
Stars. Indeed, most, if not all, of the non-PCF [Swift Boat] troops
received no medals for this action. Doug Reese, who advised the
South
Vietnamese who were the first group ashore and who killed most of
the
Viet Cong, received a well-deserved Army Commendation medal -- a
much
lower medal than the Silver Star. [...]"
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Further information regarding Mr. Pillock's question:
http://tinyurl.com/5ftt4

Read this:

http://homepage.mac.com/chinesemac/kerry_medals/PDFs/SeaLords270.pdf

That is a great website. Eric R, the guy who put it together, is not a
vet. But was so pissed at the BS put out there, he delayed his
studies, and put this website together. And even now, he updates it
from time-to-time.

You can get links to the original Silver Star citation and after-
action report, Jason. Read them, and it will put Unfit for Command in
a whole new light.

I read them. In fact, the link above goes directly to an after-action
report. "Spider hole" is a new one on me. Same as a foxhole?

Yeah, sort of . . . . the VC version thereof.

This one was along the canal bank. The dug the hole, then put one of
those earthnware jars inside for support.

Oh, and when you Googled me, you would have seen numerous quotes from
a drudge report piece that was a promo for Unfit for Command -- early
August 2004. From that, one would have the distinct impression that I
spoke to John O'Neill about the Silver Star incident. You would get
that impression because that is what is said.

Problem is, well, that's bull***. I have never, ever, spoken even one
word to O'Neill about that day.

And if you read that chapter of the book (the one regarding the SS),
you will see that I am never quoted. Wonder why?

That's because if they quoted me, they would have to put the source of
that quote in the back of the book. It is easier to twist my words if
I am not quoted, but that's only one reason (remember -- multi-layer
levels of deceit -- is a phrase that comes in handy when reading this
literary piece of trash), . . . there's another.

What is in the book from me, twisted that it is, comes from me being
interviewed by Tom Rupprath (Google him, if you'd like), who was a
private investigator hired by the Swift Boat Veterans for "truth" to
get the dirt, err, ahh, "truth" aboutKerry. . . . . as to what
happened in the incidents where he received a medal.

I guess that wouldn't have looked too good in the back of the book.

But, knowing that they had this guy, this private investigator (a real
pro, by the way -- aVietnamvet and retired FBI agent) out beating
the bushes for dirt onKerry, you can look at the book in a different
light. For example . . . .

1. Despite the PI's efforts, of the 24 guys present at the Silver
Star incident, none of them, including their one and only member
present that day, disputeKerry'sversion of events.

2. Of 32-33 guys present at the Bronze Star/3rd Purple Heart incident,
no one besides the four people originally on-board with the SBV"t"
could be found to dispute whatKerrysaid happened.

Do you think those four were politically motivated? Angry about the '73
Senate hearings?

'71 hearings . . . . .

Much obliged.

and yes, to a degree. As you probably know from
your research, O'Neill has had a thing for Kerry from back then. Did
you see, or see mention of, the O'Neill/Kerry debate on the ***
Cavett Show?

I read a transcript back in '04, just reread it. Quite surreal, discussion
of 'free-fire zones' interruped by Cavett going "And now a word on bath
safety from America's favorite housewife..." I see Operation Sealords was
mentioned. The after-action report from Feb 28th, 1969 lists enemy killed,
structures destroyed...a quantity of rice destroyed. I imagine those are the
sort of things which Kerry was talking about when he confronted O'Neill
about the brutality of Sealords.



So we have that (what Kerry said in '71), and then some things in
Brinkley's Tour of Duty that didn't sit well, rightly or wrongly, with
Admiral Hoffman -- about Hoffman and his service, they way he
commanded, etc. He and O'Neill were the two who put the Swift Boat
Veterans for "truth" together.

On the Cavett show, Kerry talked about how there were grumblings and a
near-mutiny going on. He said that a commander stopped the war and brought
everyone to Saigon for a pep-talk. Would that have been Hoffman?


By the way, 255 members, most of whom never saw Kerry in Vietnam. And
if they were more credible, they might have had a few more
members . . . . . more than 2,500 were eligible.

Well, they had Ray's full support.


Doug Reese

3. The fact that there were 10 guys who supportedKerry'sversion of
events regarding the Bronze Star incident is nowhere to be found.

4. There is one guy who disputes what happened whenKerryreceived his
2nd Purple Heart. What they neglect to mention, is that their crack PI
was unable to find anyone else. After all, ifKerrywas such a liar,
and all the Swift Boat guys hated his guts, don't you think they could
do better than just one guy?

And how many were present that day, you ask? Not includingKerry. .
at least 30.

Doug Reese

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