Re: The Brilliance of Moving US Manufacturing Jobs to China

With no regard for personal safety or the comfort of others, the Great
Josh Hill <usereplyto@xxxxxxxxx> blathered:

>On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:27:19 -0800, "Phil Scott"
><philscott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
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>>"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>
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>>> Get real. We need only erect trade barriers.
>>
>>Correct. Thats inevitable. But such will not change the
>>fact that the US did well in the 20th century as the worlds
>>premier producer of manufactured goods.... thats fading fast
>>now, China will soon be the worlds leading producer of
>>manufactured goods.
>>
>>The world can live quite well without a thing from the US
>>these days...but the US would tank tomorrow without foreign
>>goods. ..those are the facts *today. But yes 10 years ago
>>it was the US that was preiminent.
>
>Our own damn fault. I'm not talking about preeminence -- no reason we
>should dominate the world economy -- but we've let the Asian countries
>walk all over us.

LOL. Yes, they are pissing all over you with those cheap loans that
you use to buy fridges and cars! Jeez man, if it wasn't for Asia, you
people would have to start living within your means, and how painful
that would be!

> China won't even float its currency.


Why the *** should it?

China has a long memory. It remembers how you fucked the world in
Nixon's day when it suited you. It owes you nothing. It knows you are
its major strategic competitor and it wouldn't do a thing to save you
if you were drowning, if it wasn't for the greed of your citizens, and
their insatiable hunger for consumer goods.

>And we won't do
>anything about it because the rich care only about paying their
>workers less.

You *can't* do anything about it.

> It pleases them no end that they can export those
>programming jobs to India.
>

Man, when you talk about "we", it's almost as though you simply don't
understand that they are "we". You're "them".

When fuckwits like you are writing your blather about the economy, you
parrot the orthodoxy of the rich. Deregulation is good for the economy
(allows business to work without hindrance to the detriment of the
people). Low corporate taxes allow businesses to be efficient and
invest more (taxes do not affect efficiency or investment, only the
bottom line, since businesses do not generally invest extra profits
but pass them onto investors as dividends). Growth is good (if you
don't like trees). The world is set up to suit the already rich and
the "market" is not a means of bringing equality to the world, because
it so heavily biases capital over labour. We worship capital, but
that's the problem: it's like worshipping trees when you live in a
desert. Man, you need to start loving sand!

>>It is goods production that fuels an economy, not 'services'
>>services are funded by goods production.
>
>Absolutely.

Utter and complete bull***. Services *are* goods in a modern economy.
The bullshitting twats in this discussion are directed to consider the
case of Ireland before replying.

>
>>Our vaulted engineering ace in the hole is now also tanked...
>>poodle washing and lawn mowing is tanked..that money goes to
>>illegal aliens who send the proceeds back to the motha
>>land....
>
>Which delights the rich no end as well . . .

They don't care who buys. They'd enrich you if there were benefit to
it.

>
>>turns out the chinese could also add and subtract... and in
>>some areas better than we have been up to.
>
>I think it's a given that they'll return to their traditional status
>as the world's leading nation.

You're having a laugh, aren't you? They've never had such a status.
Not ever. They were barely known to most of the world until fairly
recent times, and it was a shock to them that they were so far behind
the rest of us. The Jappers entered the modern world much more quickly
and promptly put China under their hegemony.

Where do you get this *** from? China has never been the world's
leading nation or anything like it. It's not even been the East's
leading nation for much of its history!

> And, really, I don't care very much.
>The Chinese are a cautious people, and I think the world will be in
>capable hands.

LOL. Stupid ***. "The Chinese are a cautious people." You've never
seen them at a racecourse then.

>We'll become like today's Europeans -- fat prosperous
>burghers who let the biggest country do most of the lifting while
>complaining vociferously about how bad it is.
>

Lots of people think it was a mistake to allow you to become the
consumer of last resort, and doubly a mistake to allow you to
manipulate the world economy to your ends. But as you noted, we got
rich in the process, so *** it, eh?

>>You or I will not be able to 'talk' this mess back up... hard
>>core corrections re the size of govt will be required..
>>cutting that bloat imho will not be possible given the
>>obligations already incurred, and the collapse of the US birth
>>rate as our boomers retire.
>
>Our taxes are low compared to those of in most comparable countries,
>and because we've had lots of immigration, we don't face the
>demographic crunch that the Europeans do.

Anyone would think we hadn't had a single immigrant. Like most
Americans, you're woefully ignorant about Europe.

>So I'm not really worried. We're in a great position with respect to
>natural resources, we're adaptable. We'll just have to adapt our egos
>to being a secondary power, or subsume ourselves to a larger alliance.

You'll just have to get used to not thinking you're gods on earth.


Dr Zen
"But let me tell you that I never planned
to let go of the hand that has been
clinging by its thick country skin
to my yellow country teeth" -- Ounsworth
http://gollyg.blogspot.com
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