Re: A guy with just no class at all.

Ivor Longhorn wrote:

Shazam! No reason, it's just magic. So ing <ing.blueyes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:


Still, I have more respect for the Daddy than the son.


I have more respect for Goering than Hitler.

Yeah well. OK. Good point.


[ER wrote] 
In the States we can stop wondering "Could fascism happen here?" and
begin assuring one another "It _did_ happen here."

If not the all-out thing, like Mussolini 


Yes, it is. Times are different, that's all. They don't need to do all
the same ***. That's all it is. They achieve the same ends without
needing some of the palaver.

I dunno, Zen, but ER might agree with you. I think it's a version of facism, but not quite the same thing as Mussolini. Not quite as bad, not yet. Are they gonna get away with it? ***, I hope not. But only informed Americans can do anything about it.


something quite close - yeah, I believe it's happening, or close to it. It's damn scarey.
What happened with the Plame thing, that scares me most. Using the power of the Oval Office to hit out at someone who disagreed with what they did and said so in print.


That's nothing new.

Perhaps not, but it's still a shocker to see it done so plainly.


Nixon did that.

Ya, but Nixon would certainlly have been impeached and convicted had he not resigned. I don't think that'll happen this time.


What little faith I had in the integrity of the press has just hit the dumper.


You had some?

Yes, I did, and maybe there's a *little* bit left, maybe it hasn't ALL hit the dumper. Still got faith in Seymour Hersh - and Heinrick Hertzen(whatever his name is, I can't quite remember) who writes commentary for the NYer. I like his style and this thought processes. A couple of others there too. But that's about it.



Call me a naif


A naive. You're a girly.

Thanks, ya taught me something - didn't know the word had a gender.


but I DID have a little left till all this happened. Not now. Now my faith is in Fitzgerald. I hope he doesn't let me down. I believe Fitz is the real thing.



If he flips Rove and nails Cheney, he's the real thing.

I think he's the real thing anyway - even if he doesn't get them. If there's a conspiracy to obstruct things Fitz just can't get at any other way - Rove, et al, will have won, but Fitz will still have been the real thing. He nailed Conrad Black ya know ... papers up here are full of that one today - talk of allowing his extradition to the States since Connie gave up his Canuck citizenship in order to become a "Lord". Boy, did THAT one come back to bite him on the ass, or what! I would NOT want to be on Fitz's investigation list, that's for sure.


And nobody much gives a ***.

I think a lot of caring folks do give a ***


They just don't write for the NYT.

Looks like it, don't it.



maybe they just don't see it happening, in a clear light. But when the act of questioning authority - no matter whether it's a time of war or not, is labelled as "unpatriotic", or worse, "treasonous" ... you gotta wonder at that too.


When the press are writing that, then you've really got to wonder.

And they are. More than the press even - ordinary folks are saying it too. People who actually VOTE.


[ER wrote] 
Somebody told me one time --I think they were trying to be funny-- that
so long as cable TV's affordable, so long as they can make their
mortgage nut, and put enough gas in their car to get to McDonald's,
Americans will never much care about what their government does.

I suspect there's more truth than humor in that.

I been thinking over what ER wrote -- maybe he's right. Maybe that's really why there's been no furor over all this. In the past two, maybe three decades, north american society has become a whole lot more "self-involved", self-centred. We've lost a sense of community or one-ness that used to be more prevalent when I was growing up - when folks actually talked to each other about stuff that was happening in the world and in other's lives, when something that happened to your neighbour concerned you too and you actually cared. Things seem so rushed and insular now - folks on cell phones everywhere, ears filled with earplugs attached to ipods floating along alone in crowds like little islands, unattached to other folks - way too much info and not enough communication.
For all we've gained, seems to me we've lost a lot of real good stuff.


Yes, perhaps, but you know ER, it's not something unique to the US -- that's the way it's going in my country too. Your country ain't alone.


What was it that rabbi said? First they came for the communists...

Yeah, I know. the Rabbi was right. But it's hard to be heard objecting when you're talking to folks with ipod plugs (both virtual and real) stuffed into their ear holes.


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